"If you shoot digital, this is how much camera you need to equal this much ADOX film." Something like that.
It's as if film makers are just too timid.
Timid? I don't think so....
I bet the entire marketing budget of the digital hype machine comes in a close second only to a presidential race. So if a film company were to start engaging in ads saying why to use film over digital instead of film based on its own merit....well good luck that one and you might want to duck!
It was a war lost by weight of opinions rather than evidence. I found a few year old thread over on dpreview the other day that was a perfect example, it started quoting an old E Puts article, a perfectly valid article and testing which he did and is famous for in Leica circles. After what seemed about 20 pages of opinions completely ignoring the article and trashing film I just couldn't continue with it. Look up any such articles and internet discussions from a few years back, always went the same way completely ignoring anything remotely evidential such as high res scans. Even hinting that film is still competitive for reasonable size prints is like criticising someones religion, there is little as powerful in this world as the cult of the new, especially when that cult has a whole media machine around it which exists purely to worship the new.
The digital hype machine goes well beyond cameras, it is a multi-billion dollar entity who's sole purpose is to get as many people as possible to buy into the notion that the latest is always the greatest.
But most importantly, it's not silence. This page has not been intentionally left blank.
OK, lets just assume...
Ken will answer for himself [Edit: he posted while I was composing this], but I've never gotten the impression he's seeking any such thing.OK, lets just assume this was an indirect shot across the bow in how you really wish KA would come whisper “I love you Ken” in your ear...
Consumers can expect anything they wish. Companies can ignore or meet those expectations....you can not expect all companies to be just like ADOX, ILFORD and TIP, in terms of how they deal with product roadmaps and corporate web presence...
I see Kodak Alaris current communications as a definite failure to meet the expectations of some consumers. However, I don't see Kodak Alaris' current communications as a failure in any real sense. Its responses (or lack of substantive responses) to submitted questions have clearly communicated the company's plans. Kodak Alaris will milk film as long as doing so is profitable. It will concentrate primarily on its digital business. That is all. Expect nothing more....I do not see their [Kodak Alaris'] current communications as a failure to meet customer expectations...
Ken will answer for himself [Edit: he posted while I was composing this] , but I've never gotten the impression he's seeking any such thing.
Consumers can expect anything they wish. Companies can ignore or meet those expectations.
I see Kodak Alaris current communications as a definite failure to meet the expectations of some consumers. However, I don't see Kodak Alaris' current communications as a failure in any real sense. Its responses (or lack of substantive responses) to submitted questions have clearly communicated the company's plans. Kodak Alaris will milk film as long as doing so is profitable. It will concentrate primarily on its digital business. That is all. Expect nothing more.
... they will give us all what we actually need.
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need
Is he alive or dead?
Has he thoughts within his head?
We'll just pass him there
why should we even care?
Devil's advocate, can someone please elaborate then what is meant by Kodak Alaris "Milking" film for as long as they can?
I can't find that phrase made by them in a Google search. Could you post a link, please?
I can only conclude that KA has no interest in the future of film and so will just milk it for the cash it can deliver to KPP.
Kodak Alaris will milk film as long as doing so is profitable.
Devil's advocate, can someone please elaborate then what is meant by Kodak Alaris "Milking" film for as long as they can?
*snip*...
Again, nice try Ken, but you can not expect all companies to be just like ADOX, ILFORD and TIP, in terms of how they deal with product roadmaps and corporate web presence.... *snip*
"We will continue to sell film if people continue to buy enough of it to make it profitable to do so" is the statement KA made (paraphrased).
That is the definition of "milking the cow"
Thanks Stone for your opinion, I can't say I agree with it and no, I am not going to cave or change my opinion, largely because I believe that KA is still trying to settle into what will hopefully be a very long term business prospect for them.
Perhaps you are missing when I say I would love to see an emerging marketing presence from KA? But it's not a deal breaker for many who use Kodak films and despite my earlier frustration with bashing of KA on here, I now doubt it makes a minuscule dent in their image since most even on this site just pass right on by and keep on shooting...
But for the record, I am sitting here on the couch along with my wife, we are both working on the computer, her some training before she travels tomorrow, me some FTP uploads to clients and invoices....in short, life is good if not great and I could not be happier, more than happy to keep the other voice of these often heated opinions.
Now, you gave an opinion regarding what is meant by "Milking it", I will await a few others before continuing with an opinion on that...
Ratty, Sal, others, do you agree with Stone's definition above of Milking it?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?