An Exhausting and Extensive Guide to the Autochrome Lumière Process

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Hey everyone,

My interest in autochromes started right here, in the Alternative Processes forum in 2013, and I owe much to the help of the kind people here. My goal has always been to freely share all my findings, in the hopes that others will be able to make their own autochromes too!

The guide may be found here: https://www.jonhilty.com/autochromeguide

As always, feel free to reach out with any questions you may have.
 

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Thanks for sharing! I've always been fascinated by the beauty of the old autochromes and wanted to know in detail how they were made. And the Lippman plates are truly unique. You have a really interesting site.
 

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Brutal website Jon. Real tour de force of different techniques.

Could i ask about your pseudochromes? I dont want to litter this thread with it tho.
 

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Thank you PhotoChemist for making your results public!
 
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Thanks for sharing! I've always been fascinated by the beauty of the old autochromes and wanted to know in detail how they were made. And the Lippman plates are truly unique. You have a really interesting site.

Thanks! I'm setting my sights on the Lippmann process again for my next project... I'd like to make a pretty extensive video about the process. I started taking some footage last week!


Question: Would it be possible to use instead of the colored starch on a glass plate the backside of a color LCD screen with the sub-pixel matrix like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering#/media/File:Pixel_geometry_01_Pengo.jpg or is the random distribution of these grains important for generating the picture?

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It's doable! And actually, I think it has been done before here. The random pattern isn't necessarily important, but having a repeating pattern does make it more noticeable, a la the Joly Plate. I think people of the time preferred autochromes since the random pattern made the picture look more natural, less mechanical
 

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Thanks for sharing, it looks like magic in your video when you remove the plate from the second developer and hold it up to the light!
 

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That is truly remarkable! I hope this will encourage others to join in. Autochromes are one of the most beautiful colour processes I've seen.
 

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No, that was a regular grid.

Autochrome had a grid with shortcomings. But employing another dye-carrier, other dyes, Agfa produced a finer grid without the need for that black mask. I repeatedly assumed here that art-historians just mixed up both processes, and thus always hinted at Autochrome.
 

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Thank you Jon for putting out such a comprehensive how-to on this truly archaic process. I bet every sentence over there signifies weeks if not months of trial and error on your part. So kudos!

OK, but now I am going to ask for more. I feel it will be even more awesome if there was a background write-up as a way of introduction for the novice as to what an Autochrome is, principles - physics and optics - behind it. A schematic of the build will be tremendously helpful to understand and appreciate the various steps involved in producing the plates. This information is hard to come by elsewhere - so I have found.

A question:

Can one use one of those commercial emulsions instead of diy'ing it? In other words, is there anything special in your recipe that is essential which is not found in the commercial variety?

And a wild idea: Along the same lines as using the LCD display panel, I wonder if an inkjet printed plate - with a randomized pattern of RGB inks (dye-based better for transmissivity?) might be a substitute for potato starch.

Thanks again for sharing this great resource.

:Niranjan
 

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Jon, awesome as always. Shooting your plates is on my To-Do list for Christmas vacation.
 

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An outdated process, yes, but uniquely beautiful, within the reach of any determined artist and... thanks to you... no longer a mystery.
 
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Thank you Jon for putting out such a comprehensive how-to on this truly archaic process. I bet every sentence over there signifies weeks if not months of trial and error on your part. So kudos!

OK, but now I am going to ask for more. I feel it will be even more awesome if there was a background write-up as a way of introduction for the novice as to what an Autochrome is, principles - physics and optics - behind it. A schematic of the build will be tremendously helpful to understand and appreciate the various steps involved in producing the plates. This information is hard to come by elsewhere - so I have found.

A question:

Can one use one of those commercial emulsions instead of diy'ing it? In other words, is there anything special in your recipe that is essential which is not found in the commercial variety?

And a wild idea: Along the same lines as using the LCD display panel, I wonder if an inkjet printed plate - with a randomized pattern of RGB inks (dye-based better for transmissivity?) might be a substitute for potato starch.

Thanks again for sharing this great resource.

:Niranjan

That's actually a super good idea, and if I had thought of it first I would've delayed sharing this a few days to include something. If I have time this week, I'll try and slap together a "Part 0 - What Is An Autochrome, exactly?"

As far as commercial emulsions -- I *think* you could, but I'm not 100% sure. One major point I was able to discover, is that if any surfactants are in the emulsion at all (e.g. even a few drops of Photo-Flo, as is standard with DIY emulsions) cause massive issues with the emulsion lifting during development. I'm not sure if commercial emulsions have this or not, but this would be the only major "show stopper". All you would need to do to is add your spectral sensitizing dyes and find the right dilution, since my emulsion is super thin. And maybe toss some chrome alum in there too.

I kiiiiind of did a little work with film applied to some sort of dye printed pattern. See Pseudochrome.

Brutal website Jon. Real tour de force of different techniques.

Could i ask about your pseudochromes? I dont want to litter this thread with it tho.

Sure! They were my very first attempt at something autochrome-like, not long after I had learned about how the process works. This was years ago and I was in between jobs, with a dinky darkroom and dinky equipment, so calling it "half-assed" would still be saying too much. Quarter-assed, tops. Someone else had helped me design a few large grids of RGB and CMY noise, which were printed out on some fancy printer on transparencies at a nearby art school. Those were cut up, and then glued with rubber cement to little strips of film that I taped in to a 4x5 film holder and exposed. Tray development, probably with D-76, stop, and fixing as is typical. Color response wasn't great, but as I recall the scans I shared on my site are even worse (I was probably holding a flashlight behind the strip of film and trying to photograph it with a camera phone from 2011). I recall being very excited when that traffic cone turned out a deep "blue", and it's totally possible (and probable) that better results could be obtained with a more careful approach. Unfortunately the noise pattern files have been lost to the ages, as well as all the actual "pseudochromes" I made, so I can't share them any further. Feel free to ask pointed questions about it if you have any, but this was about 7 years ago and details are a bit hazy. Larger pieces of film (4x5 and up) might suffer from parallax desaturation, meaning if the emulsion is spaced too far away from the screen, your viewing angle becomes limited, and the image loses its color if you look at it at any angle that isn't straight on.
 

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Searched for the Agfa-Process https://filmcolors.org/timeline-entry/1337/ for making the color screen. There where the patents from J. H. Christensen in 1908 mentioned...see "Agfa Farbenplatten" in http://www.earlyphotography.co.uk/site/entry_I32.html

After a long search I found it @page https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?action=einsteiger if you put the term JENS HERMAN CHRISTENSEN in the line with "Anmelder/Inhaber/Erfinder" and hit "Recherche starten".

Edit: The patents are in German, French and English....

bj68
 

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Hey everyone,

My interest in autochromes started right here, in the Alternative Processes forum in 2013, and I owe much to the help of the kind people here. My goal has always been to freely share all my findings, in the hopes that others will be able to make their own autochromes too!

The guide may be found here: https://www.jonhilty.com/autochromeguide

As always, feel free to reach out with any questions you may have.

Threads like this are why I visit Photrio. Thank you!
 

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Thanks! I'm setting my sights on the Lippmann process again for my next project... I'd like to make a pretty extensive video about the process. I started taking some footage last week!

I don't know if you know about the work of Rick Brandreth at the George Eastman museum in Rochester, NY. I have seen some remarkable Lippman color photos which he has produced. Here is a link:

Lippmann Color Plates | George Eastman Museum
 
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Indeed I have! I had the opportunity to hang with Nick last year for a weekend and shoot autochrome and Lippmann plates. He's the one who turned me on to shooting Lippmann plates in medium format, rather than large format, among many other things.
 
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