ChrisHensel said:I can recall when Avedons' In The American West was first published. The reaction to those photographs, now considered by some (most, really) to be true masterpieces, was similiar to the reaction to the photos by Jill Greenberg. How could Avedon have exploited these poor people! He must be a mean and heartless man to take advantage of the homeless, the young, the stupid, etc. I understand that Greenbergs subjects are children, and that is obviously a factor..sorta kinda, really the kids were not actually harmed, and they were in the care of their parents.
In my view Greenberg's work fails in that her message is vague, although the photos, absent her claim of political protest, are quite striking. As in the case of Mann, Avedon, Mapplethorpe, and many others, posterity holds the key to the worth of Greenbergs work.
What message? There is no message in these photos.
ChrisHensel said:I can recall when Avedons' In The American West was first published. The reaction to those photographs, now considered by some (most, really) to be true masterpieces, was similiar to the reaction to the photos by Jill Greenberg. How could Avedon have exploited these poor people! He must be a mean and heartless man to take advantage of the homeless, the young, the stupid, etc. I understand that Greenbergs subjects are children, and that is obviously a factor..sorta kinda, really the kids were not actually harmed, and they were in the care of their parents.
In my view Greenberg's work fails in that her message is vague, although the photos, absent her claim of political protest, are quite striking. As in the case of Mann, Avedon, Mapplethorpe, and many others, posterity holds the key to the worth of Greenbergs work.
CraigK said:That's because it is such a profound, insightful, important message revealed only to the literati.
I did manage to get my decoder ring to figure it out though.
So here it is. Ready?
Bush is Bad.
Pass it on.
Exactly my point. You need your decoder ring, or your literati symbols manual or artist's statement or something external to the photograph in order to receive the message. It's not in the picture itself.
ChrisHensel said:Using titles such as Grand Old Party, Four More Years, and Misinformation, Greenberg bluntly expresses her anger with the current geopolitical situation.
ChrisHensel said:This of course (like all things artistic and visual) is a matter of opinion. Jill Greenberg has a very specific and (heretofore) acclaimed style of shooting. Critics, perhaps, are unwilling to see past her methods, or are taking a moral stance that prohibits any real commentary on the photos aside from the percieved mistreatment of the children, as if to see something of value in these photos is to condone or approve of child abuse.
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You can afford a hovel, the best I've been able to do is to starve in a garret.c6h6o3 said:I'll retire to my hovel to contemplate socially irrelevant photographs of peeling paint and sand dunes.
ChrisHensel said:Not even close. you need to revisit her site and study the images, and lighting techniques, more
Again, I disagree. Greenberg has an easily identifiable style...look again.
Settle down just a tad, this is just a diversion on the internet...no one is being repressed, or killed...the kids in those photos are two years removed from the sittings and doubtless are just fine.
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