Airplane Scanners and Film

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I was recently in Heathrow and Reykjavik airport where i asked staff about my camera film being scanned and it seems there is a uniform answer either side - anything under ISO1600 will not be affected. All my film was a maximum of 400.

I refer to hand luggage scans, not hold luggage which will cause considerable damage to exposed and unexposed film, so I am told. I thought I would pass this information onwards.
 

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There are lots of past threads about this on numerous forums. I've done comparison densitometer readings on TMY400, a very sensitive film on the toe, and have seen no increase in fbf between the control batch of film and what was carry-on X-rayed multiple times for flights. But I certainly
wouldn't want to do that with any true high-speed film.
 

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Hand luggage scans are fine, don't worry (with ISO 400 or lower film)
 
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The effect of damage to film is cumulative, rather than immediate. This is what they do not tell you!

The more and more scans you pass through, the greater the accumulated damage, which will eventually manifest as visible damage.
I would not put ISO1600 film through a scanner, much less Delta P3200 (I had my rolls of this hand-inspected and swabbed on recent trips abroad without fuss or fanfare).
 

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I make them hand swab my film every single time I go through TSA, it's my way to giving them the finger and staying safe rather than sorry.
Just ask nicely, and try to find someone to take it off you before you're taking off your shoes and impatiently dumping shit into gray plastic bins.
I will say this has occasionally ended up with them giving me extra screenings or waiting a long time, trying to discourage me from doing it again. However, more often than not it only takes 3-5 extra minutes, they're glad to actually have something to do, and I don't have to worry.
 

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Keep an eye on them though. I've had agents attempt to open boxes of large format film. They also like to slice open individual rolls of medium format film.
 

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Unfortunately that Kodak link is so out of date it has no bearing on today's modern airport scanners.

I've had films scanned well over 20 times when travelling to South America from Turkey, 14 different flights, some countries like Peru scan on landing as well and it's not uncommon for two scans at an airport. As a very frequent flier with film I've never had a problem.

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It's already been stated but cannot be overstated. The first rule is carry your film in your hand baggage, and never in your checked hold luggage.

The x-ray machine used to examine hand baggage is much less destructive, and even today the operators are familiar with most film formats. These machines are designed to scan 800ISO or 1600ISO film multiple times without causing damage. I've personally had a roll of Delta 3200 go through no fewer than seven different airport hand baggage scanners and no damage done.

The scanners for checked luggage are more powerful and your bags are often subjected to more zaps from various angles as the machines look for naughties. You really can have film ruined in checked baggage. A whole day's shooting on the TV show Lost was ruined this way. The process is automated or semi-automated so there's no human to look and say "Oh, there's film. Let's stop zapping this suitcase".

X-ray and other radiation damage to film is indeed cumulative, so the more airports you go through and the more times your film is scanned, the more damage is done. So if possible, reduce the passes through the scanners. In the USA you have the right to have security hand inspect your bags, but they often don't actually like being asked. However, what I have done is noted that my bag was going for a second go through the scanner and politely asked "Rather than have it go a second time could you look by hand? There's photo film in there". Be pleasant, and calm and the security people are usually OK with you.

Don't make the mistake I did a couple of years ago and have a camera loaded with film in your hand baggage. I got pulled for an extra check and the security guy said he clearly knew what it was, but he really ought to see the back opened before he could let me through. In the end I talked my way out of that, but you may not be so lucky. If you're planning on shooting out of the window, load your film on the runway.

Don't bother with the lead lined film pouches. The lead will shield your film from x-rays but then the security staff cannot see what's in there. They see a mystery box, which they will then zap more times and likely pull your bag for extra checks and demand to know why you've got a lead lined box in there.

Although most x-ray security staff seem to still be familiar with film (they've laughed at my super 8 camera in hand baggage), some may not be...especially with large format sheet film etc. They all know what a 35mm or 120 roll looks like, but a box of sheets may or may not provoke extra interest. Be prepared to explain, calmly, what it is.

The Kodak link above is still useful as it refers to the scanners introduced right after 9/11 in US airports (mostly bought second hand from European airports who had already been using them). The same basic system is still in use.
 

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see here for a current artefact:
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
 
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Great information as always, cheers everyone. It was interesting to get some up to date information from airports in two countries. I have a mate who works for a company that supply airport scanning equipment - I'll report back again.
 

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Great information as always, cheers everyone. It was interesting to get some up to date information from airports in two countries. I have a mate who works for a company that supply airport scanning equipment - I'll report back again.

Tell him to thank his company for treating film gently, and also that if the company decides to increase X-ray power on their scanners, a massive army of APUG members will raid their premises...
 

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I've had my Delta 3200 film scanned a good 8-10 times through airports without any visible damage whatsoever. I've Looong since stopped asking for hand inspection. It's not worth the effort anymore.
 

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It has been far less hassle for me simply to leave the film in the carry-on bag and run it through the X-ray machine normally. Asking for hand inspection is a roll of the dice, depending on who is doing it and how careful they are. Nowadays they don't give me any trouble at all, even toting
full medium format kits or view camera replete with loaded sheet film holders. But once you ask for a hand inspection they seem more prone to
get suspicious and want to go through EVERYTHING.
 

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I've been travelling with 50 rolls of film a few weeks ago (Unfortunately I didn't need it all) . Intercontinental with change of planes half way through. Can't report on the Vision 3 500T and the 120 Portra 800 yet; haven't developed it. Also haven't sent out the Provia 400x yet (one roll pushed to 800).

What I do, however, is to put all film into a freezer bag, or two in this case, and place it in an extra tray, rather than leaving it in the carry on. That will hopefully make it easier for the operator and reduce the exposure to a minimum.

If I remember I will report back in this thread once I see if everything was OK work the highspeed films.

I bought a fresh pack of Fuji Natura 1600 and expired 135 Provia 400x in Hong Kong earlier this year. Shot a roll each and had them developed at home. They seemed fine after being X-rayed twice on the way back.
 

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What about Impossible Project and Fuji Instax films? I went through x-rays multiple times with film in my hand luggage, looks like no change but I cannot tell if there is an effect as my films come to me with air cargo, they possibly went through more powerful x-ray devices before I use the first time.

Fuji instax films show no sign of clouding to me but I can't tell about Impossible film as my SX-70's never worked properly and I could not once focus or arrange light with recently bought (and given as a present to my ex-wife) I-1 (this can be another topic )

Anyway, as Arctic Amateur asked, what about the air freighted film, does anyone know if they pass from x-ray (and which power)?

Note: In past I passed with 3200 ASA Ilford once and with 400 ASA many times, no problem noticed...
 

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Last summer, I spent 7 weeks traveling through eastern Europe and Greece with a Rolleiflex. In USA, the TSA agents were uniformly polite and accommodating when I asked for hand inspection. In Germany, they just claimed all was OK up to ISO 1600 and X-rayed it. In Greece, one agent hand-inspected, but at the next machine, they refused. I had Tri-X 400 with a total of 5 scans, and it developed all right. Regardless of inconvenience (unless you are rushing to catch a plane), I think it is worth asking for hand inspection. Here are some of the X-rayed Tri-X files, scanned on a Minolta Scan Multi scanner:
https://worldofdecay.blogspot.com/2016/12/preserved-krakow-poland.html
 

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And judging from multiple dozens of trips thru London Heathrow, they summarily IGNORE requests for hand inspection of film, even when you put your film in clear plastic bags and hand it to them with the request for hand inspection!
 
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I see no point at all in asking for hand inspection. My film, scanned around 12 times by X Ray showed no signs of any damage. None at all.

How many times does it take to cause damage?
 

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I took several rolls of 120 Delta 3200 on an international trip recently. Denver swabbed every box individually (swab, machine, swab machine). International airport #1 just looked at the bag and passed it around. Pacific island airport swabbed all boxes and tested in the machine once. Pacific island airport #2 did the same. I've never worried about sending hp5 through the xray for carry-on.
 

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Glad to see a recent thread on this - while this is a popular topic on APUG, it's always good to hear the latest as it seems airline security rules and regulations vary by the minute.

I am taking a cruise in October of next year to Bermuda, and of course want to take my Bronica, a bunch of Ektar 100, Delta 100, my tripod, and of course my d****** SLR. It is reassuring to know that even with multiple passes through the airline and cruise terminal security scanners, my film will be fine. I'll be sure to request hand inspections as much as possible.

Still not sure if we'll fly or drive to Baltimore, (~5 hours on a good DC traffic day) or fly...I suppose that's a topic for another thread.
 

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For people who are having difficulty obtaining hand inspection of luggage in the UK, Greece etc.

Do remember that only in the USA do you have the right to a hand inspection. In most other countries it is not a right...you can ask but they don't have to comply. Given that most film going through airports is not ultra high speed, I can understand this. Also myself and others have had no issues with Delta 3200 going through multiple scanners.

Bottom line is, take film in your carry-on hand baggage.
 

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I did a trip from London to New Zealand last year, with a refuelling stop on the way through at Hong Kong and one on the way back in Singapore. I also took two internal flight while I was there.

The ONLY place I had to put up with film being scanned was Heathrow. The staff at Wellington were a bit peeved at hand-searching on the way up to Auckland for the flight back but also did it.

Hong Kong and Singapore - absolutely no problem. I packed the film in a Ziploc bag, out of the plastic tubs so that there would be no confusion as to what they were.

I'm off to India and Singapore after Christmas and will try the same thing - will report back. I'd imagine India will be a challenge, but I'm prepared to be pleasantly surpised.

I musta admit though, that on a trip across the Trans-Siberian in 2004, my film was scanned many times (this was during the time of the Beslan siege, so security was heightened). Even the pushed Tri-X (3200) came through fine.

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India is VERY security conscious and they X Ray all bags when you land and ENTER the country.
 
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