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Yep - he does great work! I wholeheartedly recommend him. If I can, I'll try to get a picture of one of his conversions...
 
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That would be great. Looks to be reasonable priced for his conversions.
 

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Yes, he did a 35mm f/2 Nikkor-O for me not too long ago. Not ultra-elegant, but it works fine, and the turnaround was fast.
 

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I have had several lenses AI'd by Jon, excellent work, reasonable price, and quick turn-around.
 

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Manual glass is so cheap these days its not really cost effective to destroy a vintage lens for the sake of convenience.Shop around and compare the price of conversion and shipping both ways.

Not ultra-elegant

That's reason enough right there.
 
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And there's another reason: AI'd lenses aren't fully compatible with the EM, FG-20, FA or the F4.

Todd,
I'd advise you to get a Nikkormat FTn or a FT2 and to learn how to do the "Nikon dance".
You'll enjoy it!
 

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Here's his work. It's really not bad, and doesn't "destroy" the lens, IMHO. If I remember right, he was the original AI person for Nikon out of shop...
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Thank you! I'm sorry to say, but that is a bad job. He just milled the ring.
He didn't even used the original Nikon AI conversion kit. And there are still some repairers in the UK that have some of these kits left.
I wouldn't pay a penny for that lens, it is worthless.
 

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Thank you! I'm sorry to say, but that is a bad job. He just milled the ring.
He didn't even used the original Nikon AI conversion kit. And there are still some repairers in the UK that have some of these kits left.
I wouldn't pay a penny for that lens, it is worthless.

If you want to part exchange it in a camera shop they take a big % off... so you get to pay several times.
 

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Yeah, there are some people that still have the conversion ring... But not for this lens. Also, I'm sure that there would be a huge discount if I went to trade it in, but the way I look at it is it is a tool. I've always treated my cameras as such - not abusing them, but not hesitating to modify them to better suit my needs. I know it goes against some people's philosophy but I figure that none of my stuff is "museum quality." If it were an ultra rare example or mint I wouldn't have done it. It wasn't though; I paid about $25 for the lens and it has serious wear marks. It now let's me use one of my favorite lenses on some of my favorite cameras (like the FM2, with which this lens did not work).

Sorry for the rant, and I hope I don't come off sounding wrong, I just hate the mindset that your gear can never be modified - it's just gear. If milling it let's you get more use out of it, bully for you. I can see how some would not follow that mentality, but I don't think that should stop others if they so choose.
 
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Sorry for the rant, and I hope I don't come off sounding wrong,

No, you didn't!
Personally, I don't like modifications to original specs, not for a monetary reason, but because it robs future generations to appreciate the original article.
It was to bad for Nikon that the AI'd conversion kits didn't include the lens max post lug. It prevents an AI'd lens to be fully used with certain cameras. But, for an FE/FM series or even a F3, it works great.
BTW, your lens was very cheap! Here in the UK, an 105mm can go upwards of £130: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nikon-105...=UK_Lenses_Filters_Lenses&hash=item20e13c8d68.
 

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Yeah, there are some people that still have the conversion ring... But not for this lens. Also, I'm sure that there would be a huge discount if I went to trade it in, but the way I look at it is it is a tool. I've always treated my cameras as such - not abusing them, but not hesitating to modify them to better suit my needs. I know it goes against some people's philosophy but I figure that none of my stuff is "museum quality." If it were an ultra rare example or mint I wouldn't have done it. It wasn't though; I paid about $25 for the lens and it has serious wear marks. It now let's me use one of my favorite lenses on some of my favorite cameras (like the FM2, with which this lens did not work).

Sorry for the rant, and I hope I don't come off sounding wrong, I just hate the mindset that your gear can never be modified - it's just gear. If milling it let's you get more use out of it, bully for you. I can see how some would not follow that mentality, but I don't think that should stop others if they so choose.

Its your prerogative to do what you want with your equipment. You can take an F and pound nails into a 2x4 for all I care.But why spend 25 on a lens then 15 bucks shipping each way plus cost of modification when you can get a newer lens with the advantage of more advanced coatings for less?

Why didn't you buy a lens that would work on your camera in the first place?
 

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I have five cameras with F mounts - two "F"s, an F2, an FM2n and a D200. The latter two don't accept non AI lenses, but my photomic head F and F2 sure do. That's why I wanted the ears on top - so that I could use that lens on all of my cameras and not have to carry duplicates of focal lengths simply because I'm using a camera that requires AI and a camera that doesn't. Also, while the coatings may be more advanced, sometimes that isn't always good. I know when I'm shooting portraits of my girlfriend she doesn't always want razor sharp lenses used... Also, I'm a big fan of cheap gear (in case it gets nicked or lost) and even though I'm into that lens for about $75, it is definitely worth it...

@Ricardo Miranda: Exactly! That's why I don't mind the conversion that's offered. I do agree that some things shouldn't be altered from original specs, but a 105 f2.5 is not a rare lens. If it were something ultra rare I wouldn't have done it, but this is a pretty common example... However, using this lens on all my cameras outweighs the "originality" factor.
 

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If a lens is minty and a low serial number, I wouldn't touch it. I've been eyeing a 50/2 on eBay that's #742156. #46 in the first series that could take AI rings. If I got it, I probably would put it on my F and leave it alone. But, my #748735 50/2 is currently in the shop, getting a NOS #3 ring fitted to it. It also needs to have the filter ring repaired or replaced with one that's straight. My 35/2 Nikkor-O did have a John White conversion done on it. Wound up putting a #34 AI ring on it instead. If AI rings are available, either NOS, or on junker lenses, I'm all for using them. That said, if I can't find a lens that I want and that will take an available AI ring, I will probably have a shop do a mill job. Not sure if I'd have him do it, since it seems like he usually just does a notch job and doesn't actually mill the ring all the way around, providing the EE post for the DS-12 EE Aperture Servo unit for the F2AS. My local guy (Doug at the Camera Clinic) does mill the ring all the way 'round and provides the ridge and the post. He won't, however, provide the lens speed sensing post. That was something that the late Brian Williams (microbee on eBay) did. He turned my old 28/3.5 Nikkor-H into a full AI lens that was fully compatible with the FG, FA, and F4, without damaging the cameras. Only charged $20 for that service, since I had already installed an AI ring from a 28/3.5 H that had fungus in the elements.

Most pre-AI Nikkors aren't worth much anyway when you go to trade them in, even the somewhat uncommon ones. When I've dealt with a shop, a mill job AI converted pre-AI Nikkor did net me more trade-in value than an untouched lens. A factory AI'd lens, of course, was worth the most of the three. Used camera shops usually don't care about "originality" unlike those of us who are collectors. They want stuff that's easy to sell, therefore, stuff that will work on a wide range of cameras, not just certain film bodies and low end DSLR's. Since, like ww12345, I'm more interested in using the gear than letting it sit on a shelf, collecting dust in a dying hobby (yes, we must face the realities that a lot of the next generation won't show interest in their grandfather's camera gear, no matter how well-preserved and original it is), I will continue to buy whatever pre-AI Nikkors suit my fancy and modify them as I see fit. Already did that with an 85/1.8 that was in pretty decent shape. Added probably $150 to its value by swapping an AI conversion ring I had from a very beat up 85/1.8 onto it. Bought the lens for $150, and, a BGN grade K-type 85/1.8 with factory AI ring on KEH usually goes for $330-$350.

-J
 

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I use later lenses on old bodies and have a problem similar to OPs. But I have a zip lock bag of ears and screws micro drills and taps and will upgrade the series E lenses and type II pancake 5cm I use to address.

I'll lose visibility of 5.6 aperture scale area on narrow rings.

The cut away late ears are still available NOS, Sover should have spares from parts as well.
 

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If a lens is minty and a low serial number, I wouldn't touch it. I've been eyeing a 50/2 on eBay that's #742156. #46 in the first series that could take AI rings. If I got it, I probably would put it on my F and leave it alone. But, my #748735 50/2 is currently in the shop, getting a NOS #3 ring fitted to it. It also needs to have the filter ring repaired or replaced with one that's straight. My 35/2 Nikkor-O did have a John White conversion done on it. Wound up putting a #34 AI ring on it instead. If AI rings are available, either NOS, or on junker lenses, I'm all for using them. That said, if I can't find a lens that I want and that will take an available AI ring, I will probably have a shop do a mill job. Not sure if I'd have him do it, since it seems like he usually just does a notch job and doesn't actually mill the ring all the way around, providing the EE post for the DS-12 EE Aperture Servo unit for the F2AS. My local guy (Doug at the Camera Clinic) does mill the ring all the way 'round and provides the ridge and the post. He won't, however, provide the lens speed sensing post. That was something that the late Brian Williams (microbee on eBay) did. He turned my old 28/3.5 Nikkor-H into a full AI lens that was fully compatible with the FG, FA, and F4, without damaging the cameras. Only charged $20 for that service, since I had already installed an AI ring from a 28/3.5 H that had fungus in the elements.

Most pre-AI Nikkors aren't worth much anyway when you go to trade them in, even the somewhat uncommon ones. When I've dealt with a shop, a mill job AI converted pre-AI Nikkor did net me more trade-in value than an untouched lens. A factory AI'd lens, of course, was worth the most of the three. Used camera shops usually don't care about "originality" unlike those of us who are collectors. They want stuff that's easy to sell, therefore, stuff that will work on a wide range of cameras, not just certain film bodies and low end DSLR's. Since, like ww12345, I'm more interested in using the gear than letting it sit on a shelf, collecting dust in a dying hobby (yes, we must face the realities that a lot of the next generation won't show interest in their grandfather's camera gear, no matter how well-preserved and original it is), I will continue to buy whatever pre-AI Nikkors suit my fancy and modify them as I see fit. Already did that with an 85/1.8 that was in pretty decent shape. Added probably $150 to its value by swapping an AI conversion ring I had from a very beat up 85/1.8 onto it. Bought the lens for $150, and, a BGN grade K-type 85/1.8 with factory AI ring on KEH usually goes for $330-$350.

-J

Think a FG is fully compatible with a milled cut out it does not need either the max aperture key or linear iris.

It's sister the EM is dependent...

The kids love shelf ornaments...
 
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Pretty stoked.. I submitted my lens to John over AI Con yeasterday and suppose to be delivered to him tomorrow (Thurs) for the conversion. I told him about my dileama in regards of wanting to take it for big trip next friday. He had no problem getting it ready and back to me by then. It was bugging me a little about the lever left and the depth of preview to get proper exposure. I could see blowing images due to oversight.

Todd
 

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Yep - he's good about getting lenses turned around really fast. :smile:
 
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