AgfaPan 100 vs Delta 100?

Brad Bireley · Mar 28, 2006

I've just started back into film again & would like some advice on the differences of these 2 films before I order some. I'll be shooting in 35mm.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Brad

sanderx1 · Mar 28, 2006

Brad Bireley said:
I've just started back into film again & would like some advice on the differences of these 2 films before I order some. I'll be shooting in 35mm.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Brad

Possibly the most important difference is that with the bankrupticy of AgfaPhoto, the demise of AgfaPan is basicly guaranteed.

david b · Mar 28, 2006

Just as Sander said, Agfa is just about gone.

Use your time and energy learning how to use Delta 100. I would also suggest using either DD-X or XTOL with this film.

fatboy22 · Mar 28, 2006

Hi Brad,

There are other 100 ISO films out there worth trying. The Ilford Delta is wonderful film but not very forgiving with exposure and developement. There are some very economical films out there like Fomapan 100 also known as Arista Ultra or Fortepan 100. Don't forget about old DA76 developer, still a very tried and true consistent developer. I agree with the others about AGFA, its time to move on and support film makers that are still in business. I love AGFA materials but they are gone forever now.

Jamie

fatboy22 · Mar 28, 2006

oops key stroke screwup, D76 not DA76

fschifano · Mar 28, 2006

Funny how no one mentions Plus-X. Try it, you just might be very pleasantly surprised. Very nice in D-76 or XTOL.

agGNOME · Mar 28, 2006

fschifano said:
Funny how no one mentions Plus-X. Try it, you just might be very pleasantly surprised. Very nice in D-76 or XTOL.

I've noticed this too. Perhaps it has to do with price when compared to the equally good Fp4+.

jim appleyard · Mar 28, 2006

agGNOME said:
I've noticed this too. Perhaps it has to do with price when compared to the equally good Fp4+.

Check out the prices: Dead Link Removed

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Plus-X is a real sleeper!

jim appleyard · Mar 28, 2006

I'm not sure those links came out right. Anyway, Plus-X is $29.95 for 100'. FP-4 is 38.95.

gnashings · Mar 28, 2006

No one mentioned the basic technical difference: Agfa 100 is a classic "old" tech film, Delta 100 is "new" tech film. The Delta is therefore a very fine grained product, with a very uniform grain - I would say it gives away nothing in terms of grain size to some 50 speed films like Pan F. I really like classic old tech films, my favourite in this speed range being FP4+, flexible, easy to work with and to me, gorgeous to look at (much like Agfa was). For someone who is looking to get back into film, I would suggest a film like FP4+ to cut your teeth on, as they are a little more forgiving - but if you want nice tonality and very fine grain for the speed, Delta is an excellent choice. But the main difference is not one of "better" or "worse", but rather of look.

david b · Mar 29, 2006

I am currently using FP4+ and HP5+ in ID-11 and have been very please with the results. I would suggest slightly overexposing them about 2/3 stop and then develop normally.

Brad Bireley · Mar 29, 2006

Thanks everyone for the advice. I appreciate it. I know when I started out in the early 70's all I use was plus x & tri x. Although I do have a few rolls of delta 100 in 120 that a bought a few years ago to use in my mamiya. So I know I will be trying the delta 100.
Brad

gnashings · Mar 29, 2006

You know, you really can't go wrong - the biggest mistake you can make is not getting out there and exposing whatever film you have I think in 120 you will find the Delta 100 to be pretty much grain-free, even if you soup it in Rodinal (which I think looks nice - but others seem to disagree). I also found it to be more forgiving than Tmax 100, aside from a purely subjective preference of appearance.
Best of luck

Peter.

Gerald Koch · Mar 30, 2006

fschifano said:
Funny how no one mentions Plus-X.

The sickly greenish blue of the film base puts me off. I am used to evaluating negatives by inspection and can't do it with Plux-X.

There is also Fuji Neopan 100 SS and Fuji Acros. Forte and Foma make ISO 100 films.

dxphoto · Mar 31, 2006

fortepan 100 is not arista ultra.
fortepan 400 is grainy and slow.

Ultra (foma 100) gives very nice tonality in d76 1:1. but thin in film base. overall good for the price.

I know now that delta 100 is too fine for me. FP4+ is good. APX100 is super but no more in 120 size..........

To me Delta 100 is better off with D76 .

titrisol · Mar 31, 2006

Delta 100 and APX100 are two completely different films.
Delta 100 is more comparable to Kodak's tMAX and Fuji's Neopan Acros.. All those are new technology films, with very little grain, and very narrow grain size distribution. They are great, but somehow lack the "organic" feel of old style emulsion.

From the old style emulsion Plus X, FP4 and Efke 100 are the ones comparable to APX 100 IMHO, each of them is different and has pros and cons. You'll have to try and decide by yourself.

Re: developers, D76 is still the standard given its widespread use.
Rodinal has regained some acceptance by some nuts (me included) that refuse to let it go and that have found its charcteristic acceptable with the improvement of the photographic emulsions.
Xtol and other modern developers are excellent as well.

Ian Grant · Mar 31, 2006

You could also try Kodaks great 50 ISO film, the very underated Tmax 100.

Very similar results to AP100 & APX100 which were true 100 ISO films. Read the Tmax 100 info carefully and Kodak recommends 50 ISO for tonality.

Having used Tmax 100, Agfa AP100 then APX100 for years my only observation is that Tmax 100 is actually a stop slower.

Ian

dxphoto · Mar 31, 2006

I thought delta are T-grain film. am i right??? lt should be like Tmax?

titrisol · Mar 31, 2006

Yes, my bad.... film-dislexic this morning

Tmax, Delta and Acros are T/epitaxial/sigma grain films

jmailand · Mar 31, 2006

Agfa in bulk.

I have over 400 ft of agfa 100 & 400 apx in the freezer. (original agfa packaging) All dated 2010. I got it for about $22-24 a 100ft roll. And the place I got it from has more. I'm suprised that nobody here, that I've seen posted anyway, has mentioned it. Since I got all I need (being sarcastic), I guess I'll spill the beans and let the photographers have it instead of some ebay seller trying to rip people off.

check out www.ultrafineonline.com

I just got my shipment this week, ordered it last week.

They still have some agfa RC paper but alas no fiber. The ultrafine 35mm filmline used to be Illford judging by the film speed it still may be Illford. The price is certainly cheap if it is.

dxphoto · Apr 3, 2006

APX100 replacement???

I have bought 100ft apx100 from B&H. I tried it with DD-X and D76 and I like it in D76 more. Never tried anything with rodinal..... I really the APX100 in 120 format but I really can't find any.

Tried the Fortepan 100 and fomapan 100 (both in 120 format, and freestyle Arista repacked version) in D76(1+1), by looking at the negs and the scan result I like them. I cannot tell the differences between them (any pro here can give any ideas?).

The film intend to curl a lot. Very thin. One .EDU has some emulsion scratched. No idea if that was because of me or the QC was bad. And also, the 'START' arrow seem to be off for that roll with emulsion problem. My guess I will have to shoot the frist frame twice.....

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