Agfa-Gevaert Copyrex RN40 developer - still usable?

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Hey there,

A while back I got few boxes of something labeled as a developer, from a guy who's not into photography. As soon as I heard 'free developer', I agreed. However, as it turned out... there's absolutely no info online on what it is, how to use this, or even if it's of any worth. The box contains one brown bottle with the exact same label as the box. Does anyone know what was its purpose?
I haven't opened the bottle to smell it or anything. I'm also bit worried about the inflammable symbol on there.

Thanks.
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Worry not! It was not in daylight, and even if I spoiled it somehow, I still have four more boxes of that :smile:
 

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It is a photosensitive varnish (resist) intended for silk-screen printing.
But I am puzzled by the term "Developer".
 

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It is a photosensitive varnish (resist) intended for silk-screen printing.
But I am puzzled by the term "Developer".

The only information via Google seems to confirm this:- .

"The "Copyrex" trademark was registered in 1959 by Agfa for "LIGHT-SENSITIVE COPYING SOLUTIONS CONTAINING LIGHT-SENSITIVE SUBSTANCES AND RESINOUS MATERIALS DISSOLVED IN ORGANIC SOLVENTS, WHICH ARE USED TO PREPARE LIGHT-SENSITIVE COATINGS IN THE PRODUCTION OF PRINTING FORMS, AS WELL AS DEVELOPERS AND DILUENTS FOR USE IN CONJUNCTION THEREWITH".

So it's probably of little use as a developer for conventional films ?
 
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Thank you guys, at least now I know I have to think about disposing it safely :tongue:

I think that RN40 was an entire series of different chemicals, for the 'copyrex' process. I am not knowledgeable about the printing process, so pardon if my assumptions are wrong.
Thus, the bottle I was gifted was only the developer part of the process - the actual varnish would be in a different container.

I may try to see if it reacts with film (just a quick test with a cut-off leader), but I don't think it will be of any good use.
 

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I'm guessing that it is the sort of developer I used to use after taking the plate out of the print shop's UV plate exposing unit (the "plate burner").
I would rub it on and the image would appear. After washing, the plate went on to the offset press.
IIRC, the stuff I used to use was a light pink in colour, it was quite viscous, and it smelled like varnish.
 

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To my source it is the sensitive varnish, called RN 40. But it could well be that RN 40 is the designation of the system and not the component and then Matt could be right.
However, then there still would be seemingly the contradiction of the developer being light sensitive too.

Anyway that bottle must be at least 40 years old, as Gevaert still appeared as brand. (After the merger the Mortsel plant got specialized in technical products and the Leverkusen plant in consumer products. The technical products for some years still bear the brand Gevaert, even when made in Germany.)
 
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Well I found out that RN 40 stands for a whole system.
 

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As AgX has found, it seems likely part of a photoresist system, probably for processes related to circuit boards and/ or photolithography. It is likely a 'developer' in the sense that it's a solvent that removes the unexposed (uncrosslinked) resist. Some of these solvents can be extremely nasty either to the user or the environment - hence the move to resists that are often forms of photopolymer or use diazidostilbene etc.

If it's for a Polyvinyl Cinnamate resist, it may well be chlorobenzene in that bottle.
 

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The resist was not Polyvinylcinnamate, but Polyisoprene based. (With a compound missing as Polyisoprene as such is not lightsensitive.)

But I do not know any applicable organic solvent that is lightsensitive, and the box obviously only contained that bottle.
 
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The resist was not Polyvinylcinnamate, but Polyisoprene based. (With a compound missing as Polyisoprene as such is not lightsensitive.)

But I do not know any applicable organic solvent that is lightsensitive, and the box obviously only contained that bottle.

I've found RN-40 described conflictingly as Polyisoprene & as Polyvinylcinnamate based. Either way, it's a resin plus a sensitiser which is developed using a solvent that removes the non cross-linked resin.

There's a laundry list of solvents in Agfa's patents - all the usual nasties - one Agfa patent describes a developer made up from Benzene, Toluene and Chloroform - the latter is well known to be light sensitive - I would not be opening that bottle, but rather getting it to hazmat disposal post-haste.
 

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Thank you for the hint at Chloroform, I completely forgot that it is not light-stable. Whether this though is enough to raise such advise on the box, as it is in a brown bottle anyway...

If so, then that all makes sense.
 
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