Agfa CT Precisa: How does it make sense?

saman13 · Nov 9, 2017

Maybe a better title would be: How does it make cents?

I really don't get it. Don't film manufacturers usually repackage their emulsions and sell them at a lower price? Like Arista EDU being $1 less than Fomapan at Freestyle. But Agfa CT Precisa is $4 more expensive than the equivalent Fuji Provia from B&H... why is this and how do they make any money off of that? Why would someone buy the repackaged emulsion when you can get the "real" one for less money?

Is it just that it is more expensive here in the US and less expensive elsewhere?

However, I have some in the fridge because my local camera shop let me take them at $5 a pop because their expiration date was that day... I bought 6 rolls but looking back I really should have stocked up. Stupid me.

saman13 · Nov 9, 2017

Maybe I should have checked around some more first. It seems to be $0.60 cheaper per roll from Freestyle

Svenedin · Nov 9, 2017

Depending on the UK supplier I look at the Agfa film is between £3 and £5 cheaper per 36 exposure roll than Provia 100F

saman13 · Nov 9, 2017

Svenedin said:
Depending on the UK supplier I look at the Agfa film is between £3 and £5 cheaper per 36 exposure roll than Provia 100F

That's what I suspected. That it must be cheaper out of the US for it to be economically feasible.

tomfrh · Nov 9, 2017

In Australia it's cheaper. Around $13 vs say $25 for provia

trendland · Nov 9, 2017

I got my last in 5xpacks - can't remember jet the price. But this was much cheaper than today .....
I must have more than 12 packs (5x135-36)

My advice to you : Buy as many as you can imedeately. Next year precisa may be discontinued.
If I am not right - you will be not allmost lucky (if it is not discontinued and avaible also the whole year in 2018)
Because of pricing in the near of $ 10,-.

with regards

saman13 · Nov 9, 2017

tomfrh said:
In Australia it's cheaper. Around $13 vs say $25 for provia

$25 for a roll of Provia...that is just painful. Reading posts on this forum about the absurd cost of film and equipment in Australia has convinced me that if I ever travel there I'll bring a few 100ft rolls of film for y'all.

trendland · Nov 9, 2017

Ähhhm I am just reading $ 13,- in Australia ?????
Let me ask what is the price you paid with $5,- a pop?

with regards

tomfrh · Nov 9, 2017

saman13 said:
$25 for a roll of Provia...that is just painful.

it's about $19 in US dollars. That's lab retail prices.

There is cheap film around. The neg film is generally cheaper, and the BW stuff can be much cheaper.

tomfrh · Nov 9, 2017

trendland said:
Ähhhm I am just reading $ 13,- in Australia ?????
Let me ask what is the price you paid with $5,- a pop?

Sorry I don't understand your question.

AgX · Nov 10, 2017

It is AgfaPhoto, not Agfa.

trendland · Nov 10, 2017

tomfrh said:
Sorry I don't understand your question.

Ok - little missunderstanding - because you mentioned $5,- "a pop" ...I just didn't know this term as abbriviation?
So I did guess it is somwhere in the near of "less $ 5,- " ($5,- a pop).
So let me ask - and never mind - what did you paid for - as regular price from your local dealer a roll "Agfa Precisa100 135-36"?
with regards

PS - The price I sure remember was in 2005
1) Agfa RSX II 50 in 120 $ 2,79 a roll
2) Agfa RSX II 100 " " $ 2,19 a roll
3) Fuji Astia 100F in 5x120 $ 18,95

But I've to state all rolls from Agfa exept
a couple of the RSX 100 were terrible bad...all of the Agfas were expired some month the RSX 50 most with 1 year.
The 135-36 RSX was still discontinued to this time.
But the expired Astia (4 - 5 month behind)
were perfect to many many years.
I might have a last batch of them remaining today (1 -2 packs 5x120)
The last packs of Astia I bought was about $29,95 5x120.
Comming to "Agfa Photo" Precisa100 you definitive will have no problems with color cast from expired films (within a space of max. 3 -4 full years of expiration) - because it is original Fuji Provia 100 RDP II.

saman13 · Nov 10, 2017

trendland said:
Ok - little missunderstanding - because you mentioned $5,- "a pop" ...I just didn't know this term as abbriviation?
So I did guess it is somwhere in the near of "less $ 5,- " ($5,- a pop).
So let me ask - and never mind - what did you paid for - as regular price from your local dealer a roll "Agfa Precisa100 135-36"?
with regards

PS - The price I sure remember was in 2005
1) Agfa RSX II 50 in 120 $ 2,79 a roll
2) Agfa RSX II 100 " " $ 2,19 a roll
3) Fuji Astia 100F in 5x120 $ 18,95

But I've to state all rolls from Agfa exept
a couple of the RSX 100 were terrible bad...all of the Agfas were expired some month the RSX 50 most with 1 year.
The 135-36 RSX was still discontinued to this time.
But the expired Astia (4 - 5 month behind)
were perfect to many many years.
I might have a last batch of them remaining today (1 -2 packs 5x120)
The last packs of Astia I bought was about $29,95 5x120.
Comming to "Agfa Photo" Precisa100 you definitive will have no problems with color cast from expired films (within a space of max. 3 -4 full years of expiration) - because it is original Fuji Provia 100 RDP II.

“A pop” means “each”. So, I got them for $5 each because they were expired (but cold stored the whole time).

trendland · Nov 10, 2017

saman13 said:
“A pop” means “each”. So, I got them for $5 each because they were expired (but cold stored the whole time).

Aha....I see ...
Well $ 5,- is a quite good price from my point of view.
AND local dealers should not know that an expired date of some month isn't a problem!
Notice : I realy forgot the price of my 5xpacks but the old Agfa were bundled in such lucky 10xboxes.
The price was just $25,- a 135-36 color solide film to two and a half bucks! Just to topp from Ferrania Solaris 100
from total costs of just $2,39 a single roll.
Paradise of E6 shooters

.

with regards

trendland · Nov 10, 2017

Sorry : Solaris Chrome100 is the right name. AND "Chrome" indicated E6 in regard of Kodakchrome for example.
Ähhhh - bad example (Kodakchrome is K14) so lets say Ektachrome. By the time
an other E6 we soon will see
""back again"...

with regards

Minoltafan2904 · Nov 24, 2017

Agfa CT Precisa doesn't make sense for US slide film users, you can get the same film , Provia 100F ,cheaper.
In Europe i'd say on average ( online ) CT Precisa is 3-4€ cheaper than Provia 100F.
CT Precisa however is only available in 35mm.
Some say that Provia 100F being a professional film is kept cold stored always, and CT Precisa being a "consumer film" is not...
I plan on buying probably 10 or 20 rolls of it from Ebay, since if i buy 10+ rolls i can get it for fairly cheap, around 7.50€ / roll.
I personally absolutely love it, the colours are beautiful, saturated, contrasty yet accurate, it picks up very fine details beautifully and it's very sharp.

trendland · Nov 25, 2017

Minoltafan2904 said:
Agfa CT Precisa doesn't make sense for US slide film users, you can get the same film , Provia 100F ,cheaper.
In Europe i'd say on average ( online ) CT Precisa is 3-4€ cheaper than Provia 100F.
CT Precisa however is only available in 35mm.
Some say that Provia 100F being a professional film is kept cold stored always, and CT Precisa being a "consumer film" is not...
I plan on buying probably 10 or 20 rolls of it from Ebay, since if i buy 10+ rolls i can get it for fairly cheap, around 7.50€ / roll.
I personally absolutely love it, the colours are beautiful, saturated, contrasty yet accurate, it picks up very fine details beautifully and it's very sharp.

Yes Minoltafan2904 but you have to know also in Europe Agfa CT 100 Precisa
(what a nice name - by the time) makes not so much sence.
The pricing is increasing more and more.
But we shouln't be angry about - I have a feeling the deal with Agfa Photo may be the main reason Fuji will hold on E6 for a while. (it may be just a little while) and you can notice this from increasing and increasing and increasing.......of pricing.
But it should indeed a best selling film in
Europe - because there you can find "Precisa" precisely in every store.

with regards

AgX · Nov 25, 2017

trendland said:
But it should indeed a best selling film in Europe - because there you can find "Precisa" precisely in every store.

My experience is different. To me it seems that rather Germany is a stronghold for slide film. Not so abroad, where slide film seems to have vanished from drugstores.

trendland · Nov 25, 2017

AgX said:
My experience is different. To me it seems that rather Germany is a stronghold for slide film. Not so abroad, where slide film seems to have vanished from drugstores.

May be - but to me there is still an other question : Should I buy more of this film?
It has real nice chatacteristics at all - like
Provia. But meanwhile there are 40 - 55 films in my freezer.I can't say perhaps I should count it again.
May be there are around 70 films.
The issue is the following : The first of precisa I bought as a 5xpack ($18,90 to 5films) the next cost me $ 24,95 the last in 5xpack were priced 32,90.
Todays price is around $14,95 (2x135-36)
I guess I have to wait for Kodak Ekachrome and I will spend all my money
to it (to every pricing one can imagine).
I am realy good remembering last pricing to discontinued (unexpired) Ektachromes on Ebay.
Better I should not tell you.
Well the pricing to new Ektachrome will
be simular.
with regards

PS : $ 17,95 each 135 - 36 roll.

Minoltafan2904 · Nov 26, 2017

AgX said:
My experience is different. To me it seems that rather Germany is a stronghold for slide film. Not so abroad, where slide film seems to have vanished from drugstores.

I don't know about Germany but Japan certainly still does have a big crowd of analog users, in "the west" colour negative print film has always been more popular i feel, even back in the 90s 90-95% of the film sold was colour negative, through the 80s and 90s the popularity of slide film kept decreasing, only the pros and dedicated amateurs shot it, for some types of photography however slide film remained the only way to go, aviation photography for example, it used to be Kodachrome, Provia or Velvia, if you wanted to sell photos nothing other than that would even be accepted.
In fact slides of rare aircraft often used to sell for up to 1000 USD at conventions.

trendland · Nov 26, 2017

Minoltafan2904 said:
I don't know about Germany but Japan certainly still does have a big crowd of analog users, in "the west" colour negative print film has always been more popular i feel, even back in the 90s 90-95% of the film sold was colour negative, through the 80s and 90s the popularity of slide film kept decreasing, only the pros and dedicated amateurs shot it, for some types of photography however slide film remained the only way to go, aviation photography for example, it used to be Kodachrome, Provia or Velvia, if you wanted to sell photos nothing other than that would even be accepted.
In fact slides of rare aircraft often used to sell for up to 1000 USD at conventions.

Well - "Slides of rare aircraft" that should be a very nice business model.
But we have a need to revival slide projection with cheap new models.
The technology is so extrem ......very simple today - but you also need a real big company for investments.
Like Kodak's plan to build new super8 kameras it is also possible to manufacture cheap slide projectors and
create a hype with "everything about E6".
Back to the 70th - there was a demand to this stuff like the demand on tablet pc today.
So manufacturers have to thing big !
Nobody needs Lomo cameras today.
But with smart marketing they sell millions from this stuff.
A joint venture from Kodak and Lomo should be the answer to a campaign with the name : "Lomo slide projector "Benny"
to a price $ 109,- well what you then need is a real cheap E6 film including mouting /development.
with regards

PS : What I am talking - the best managing directors today want to have big money for themselfes but with no risc. I would like to see they just would do the job they were paid for.
Often they have decided wrong and were paid therfore

Wallendo · Nov 27, 2017

A few years ago Precisa CT could be purchased on eBay for much less than the Fuji labeled product. It was generally not available from major retailers in the US. Apparently when the word got out about this film, prices went up until there was little incentive to not purchase the Fuji-labeled product. I suspect it is a combination of higher shipping and distribution costs from manufacturing in Japan, shipping to Europe and then on to the US for the AgfaPhoto film and better value pricing for Fuji products in the US.

Minoltafan2904 · Nov 27, 2017

Precisa is available in packs of 5 rolls in Germany, i wish it was in the rest of the world!
The key to buying film at the cheapest possible price is buying large quantities, i know an Ebay seller that sells 10 rolls of CT Precisa for 88$ ( 75€ more or less ? ) with free shipping.
This is the cheapest i have seen it currently.

trendland · Nov 30, 2017

Wallendo said:
A few years ago Precisa CT could be purchased on eBay for much less than the Fuji labeled product. It was generally not available from major retailers in the US. Apparently when the word got out about this film, prices went up until there was little incentive to not purchase the Fuji-labeled product. I suspect it is a combination of higher shipping and distribution costs from manufacturing in Japan, shipping to Europe and then on to the US for the AgfaPhoto film and better value pricing for Fuji products in the US.

Shipping is never responsable of much higher pricing - but profit is the reason in many cases.
Notice : A large container shipped some 1000 seamiles over the oceans should cost around $ 4500 - $6000 that is very much from costs - aha.....

How many cartons Fuji Film it can carry?
More than 800 I just guess.....
How many film rolls are inside ?
250 may be - we need a calculator?
$ 5000,- as an average divided by ????
5000/200.000 = 2,5 cent/each film roll.
Oh - we have the wrong calculator because Fuji increases pricing with Faktor 100.The films are $2,50 more expensive year to year.
Because Shipping is a very hart business today - have you heard about monster wafes and pirates ?

with regards

BMbikerider · Nov 30, 2017

Svenedin said:
Depending on the UK supplier I look at the Agfa film is between £3 and £5 cheaper per 36 exposure roll than Provia 100F

It certainly is, even so it is still too expensive for regular use.

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