"Ag-Gag"--criminalizing photography?

mooseontheloose · May 9, 2011

JBrunner said:
If that is the case they are guilty of trespassing. Hasn't to do with cameras, nor should it. Trespassing and photography are separate activities. One of them is illegal, and the remedy for an aggrieved party is clearly to pursue prosecution of the illegal activity, not pass laws against innocuous activity. The premise that one illegal activity must penalize another perfectly legal pursuit is a logical fallacy, and a slippery slope that will lead to all sorts of implied causality regulations. Rock music causes sex and drugs you know.

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To a casual visitor it looks as though Europe does this better---every city seems to have a million small produce shops squidged into the little side streets. They have a "farmer's market" look to the American eye, but maybe that's just an illusion and the produce really comes from a giant industrialized supply chain there too? I wish I knew more about the alternatives to the US food system.

When I used to live in France most of the meat I bought (chicken, beef) at the supermarket (a major national chain) was labelled with the name of the farm/farmer who raised the animal. A lot of accountability there, and I think (at least from my perspective) an understanding from the general populace what goes on a farm, and a farmer who is not embarassed or shameful of the way they raise and treat their animals. What are the CAFOs in the US trying to hide? Trade secrets? Highly unlikely. Although I don't live in the U.S. I would be suspicious of big businesses trying to criminalize something that already has laws in place to protect them against trespassing, slander, and libel.

jacarape · May 9, 2011

There are a lot of posts to an OP that really started a troll thread. Without a reference or a case to demonstrate his point, there are a bunch of lawyer juniors replying.

I will wager that I'm one of maybe a couple here that has ever put my left arm up a cows ass to palpate it's cervix to deposit previously LN2 frozen semen in a straw into it's uterus with my right arm. I would have loved somebody to take my photo doing that with the caption "It's not as much fun as it looks".

Factory farming sucks but it's what you eat.

mhcfires · May 9, 2011

jacarape said:
There are a lot of posts to an OP that really started a troll thread. Without a reference or a case to demonstrate his point, there are a bunch of lawyer juniors replying.

I will wager that I'm one of maybe a couple here that has ever put my left arm up a cows ass to palpate it's cervix to deposit previously LN2 frozen semen in a straw into it's uterus with my right arm. I would have loved somebody to take my photo doing that with the caption "It's not as much fun as it looks".

Factory farming sucks but it's what you eat.

There are always those idiots who would be offended by your procedure. My two brothers worked for a dairy farm in South Los Angeles in the late 1950's early 1960's as teenagers. They were amazed that you didn't need the bull in person to inseminate a herd of dairy cows. If he had to do it naturally, the poor bull would be exhausted by a herd of demanding ladies.

kwall · May 9, 2011

JBrunner said:
...all sorts of implied causality regulations. Rock music causes sex and drugs you know.

So that's it! I knew there was a connection. And here I thought my drug use caused sex. Well, maybe it did, 'cause that's the only way I can explain how a 2 at 10 becomes a 10 at 2. :confused:

Moopheus · May 9, 2011

jacarape said:
There are a lot of posts to an OP that really started a troll thread. Without a reference or a case to demonstrate his point, there are a bunch of lawyer juniors replying.

Well, I didn't mean to start a troll thread. Several states are proposing laws that expand the use of state police powers with regards to the act of photography. It seemed reasonable to discuss this. It may be that none of are personally going to experience this particular circumstance, but you know how these things go: if this law can possibly be used against you, it will. Perhaps no one else thinks this could grow as a threat to photography, then never mind.

Marcus S · May 9, 2011

Looks like Google Map will be out of a job if corporate America gets their way.
If they have nothing to hide, they certainly should not mind being photographed.

Support the small organic farmer and food producer, not corporate America.

Bill Burk · May 9, 2011

And I thought from the subject line that this was going to be a discussion about a ban on SILVER photography of farms. That would be unfair.

"Ag-Gag"--criminalizing photography?

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