Drums work well with RC paper. I wouldn't count on them for fibre paper.
Drums work well with RC paper. I wouldn't count on them for fibre paper.
I like the Cibachrome drums. Mostly I use the 8x10 ones. They share end caps with a couple of other sizes - particularly the 11x14 tube.
The drum size determines the chemistry amount. I re-use the chemistry. The print size determines the chemistry capacity - how many runs.
I print RA4 with a Jobo and a big drum. But it would be better if my drum was not so big, because I generally don't print bigger than 8x10. It's far better to use the smallest drum that will accommodate the print size. The Jobo keeps everything the correct temperature.
I have a Simma roller. It only goes in one direction, but it does "wobble" the tank to get a bit of back-and-forth flow. It's irritating because the tanks move off-centre and then want to tip off. I made the mistake of developing a sheet of 8x10 film in a Unicolor tank on it. Why was it a mistake? because there are no ribs in the tank and the dye on the back of the sheet didn't come off so I ended up agitating it in a tray of carbonate solution for 10 minutes to get it to clear. Anyway, I also had to keep recentring the tank so it wouldn't fall off. It was also noisy.
Test strips are irritating for colour. But if you have a small tank that you can use just for those, it might be ok. I found a colour sample print chart useful when starting, to compare for changing the filtration. You can get a Kodak Shirley ringaround poster from a Dataguide.
So I need yet another drum for test strips?
So I need yet another drum for test strips?
So you're recommending a drum for each size? Is that just to reduce chemistry usage, or for space considerations?
So I need yet another drum for test strips?
One additional comment. It is a bit difficult to put in and out a large sheet of paper inside a Jobo drum without damaging it (wrinkles). I have sometimes problems with 11x16", so 16x20" must be a challenge.
The print drums contain a small cup under the cap. I believe this is so you can pour in the liquid standing up and then tip it quickly to start,
the short 60-second developing step
Here are some notes about my use of Jobo print tanks that new users might find useful.
I’ve been successfully processing RA4 prints in Jobo drums on a motorized roller base at 100º/38ºC for years. The key idea is to use this relatively high temperature so that the processing time is so short, that there in no significant temperature drop during the temperature-critical developing step.
I keep the solution bottles is a large dishwashing pan tempered to the processing temperature. After placing the exposed paper into the drum and securing the lid, I pour in a generous dose of water at approximately 105ºF/40.5ºC, let the drum spin for 15-20 seconds, dump the water and repeat.
Now the drum, lid and print are at least as warm as the 100ºF processing temperature. I set the timer for the developing step, dump out the water, pour in the correct dose of developer and let the drum spin for 60 seconds. In the meanwhile, I’ve poured a dose of tempered stop bath into a graduate. My stop bath is simply vinegar + water at about 1 + 5.
I prepare a dose of tempered blix, dump the water, pour in the blix, set the timer, and set the drum to spinning. Since the blix is acidic, as is the stop bath, there’s no need for a rinse between stop bath and blix. I dump the blix at the end of that process, and start rinsing with warmed water. I usually give my RA4 prints about 10 washes before removing them from the drum and drying.
In the above steps, only the developing step requires close control of the temperature. Since I prewarmed the tank and paper before introducing the 100ºF developer, I believe that it won’t experience any meaningful drop in temperature during the short 60-second developing step. The results I get making RA4 prints in this manner are identical to those I obtain using my CPP2 at 38ºC.
I use all of my RA4 solutions “one-shot” so there is no worry with cross contamination of chemicals. The resulting prints look identical to those I’ve gotten from commercial labs.
My reason for using the motorized roller base in the open air rather than the CPP2 is to preserve the Jobo for film developing, which requires longer developing cycles at elevated temperature. I bought the CPP2 in 1988 and want it to keep on working, as a replacement might be hard to find.
Here is the list of the Jobo 2800 series print drums.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1779771/Jobo-3012.html?page=12
There’s basically only two one-piece cylinder-and-base units: The 2820 Test drum that’s about 165 mm internal length and the 2830 with internal length 261.5 mm. Then there is the 2870 module, which is an extension cylinder—no bottom—with a cam-lock connection ring. It’s about the same length as the 2830 tank.
Jobo names the combinations with a unique 4-digit number that is printed on the upper section if it was sold in that particular combination.
I use the 2820 Test Drum for 1 or 2 prints of 4” x 5”, the 2830 for 1 or 2 prints of 8” x10”, the 2840 for a single 11” x 14” print, and the 2850 for a single 16” x 20” print.
Since I have the CPP2 with lift, I can use the 3063 for a single 20” x 24” print. The 3063 has a cog-drive lid only and no internal beaker, so it can only be used with large Jobo processor equipped with the cog drive and lift unit. It also requires the foot pump unit to pressurize the tank to pop off the lid at the end of the process.
The lids of the 2800 series tanks all have a beaker as part of the lid. That allows pouring in the solution with the tank standing upright (so long as you don’t put in more liquid than the beaker’s capacity). Then you turn the tank horizontal to pour the contents of the beaker into the tank as you begin rotation.
“If it ain’t broke—don’t fix it.”
One additional comment. It is a bit difficult to put in and out a large sheet of paper inside a Jobo drum without damaging it (wrinkles). I have sometimes problems with 11x16", so 16x20" must be a challenge.
Here are some notes about my use of Jobo print tanks that new users might find useful.
I’ve been successfully processing RA4 prints in Jobo drums on a motorized roller base at 100º/38ºC for years. The key idea is to use this relatively high temperature so that the processing time is so short, that there in no significant temperature drop during the temperature-critical developing step.
I keep the solution bottles in a large dishwashing pan tempered to the processing temperature. After placing the exposed paper into the drum and securing the lid, I pour in a generous dose of water at approximately 105ºF/40.5ºC, let the drum spin for 15-20 seconds, dump the water and repeat.
Now the drum, lid and print are at least as warm as the 100ºF processing temperature. I set the timer for the developing step, dump out the water, pour in the correct dose of developer and let the drum spin for 60 seconds. In the meanwhile, I’ve poured a dose of tempered stop bath into a graduate. My stop bath is simply vinegar + water at about 1 + 5.
I prepare a dose of tempered blix, dump the water, pour in the blix, set the timer, and set the drum to spinning. Since the blix is acidic, as is the stop bath, there’s no need for a rinse between stop bath and blix. I dump the blix at the end of that process, and start rinsing with warmed water. I usually give my RA4 prints about 10 washes before removing them from the drum and drying.
In the above steps, only the developing step requires close control of the temperature. Since I prewarmed the tank and paper before introducing the 100ºF developer, I believe that it won’t experience any meaningful drop in temperature during the short 60-second developing step. The results I get making RA4 prints in this manner are identical to those I obtain using my CPP2 at 38ºC.
I use all of my RA4 solutions “one-shot” so there is no worry with cross contamination of chemicals. The resulting prints look identical to those I’ve gotten from commercial labs.
My reason for using the motorized roller base in the open air rather than the CPP2 is to preserve the Jobo for film developing, which requires longer developing cycles at elevated temperature. I bought the CPP2 in 1988 and want it to keep on working, as a replacement might be hard to find.
Here is the list of the Jobo 2800 series print drums.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1779771/Jobo-3012.html?page=12
There’s basically only two one-piece cylinder-and-base units: The 2820 Test drum that’s about 165 mm internal length and the 2830 with internal length 261.5 mm. Then there is the 2870 module, which is an extension cylinder—no bottom—with a cam-lock connection ring. It’s about the same length as the 2830 tank.
Jobo names the combinations with a unique 4-digit number that is printed on the upper section if it was sold in that particular combination.
I use the 2820 Test Drum for 1 or 2 prints of 4” x 5”, the 2830 for 1 or 2 prints of 8” x10”, the 2840 for a single 11” x 14” print, and the 2850 for a single 16” x 20” print.
Since I have the CPP2 with lift, I can use the 3063 for a single 20” x 24” print. The 3063 has a cog-drive lid only and no internal beaker, so it can only be used with large Jobo processor equipped with the cog drive and lift unit. It also requires the foot pump unit to pressurize the tank to pop off the lid at the end of the process.
The lids of the 2800 series tanks all have a beaker as part of the lid. That allows pouring in the solution with the tank standing upright (so long as you don’t put in more liquid than the beaker’s capacity). Then you turn the tank horizontal to pour the contents of the beaker into the tank as you begin rotation.
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