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My wife and I are looking at spending a week in both locations. I don't feel like driving so will probably do a tour in both locations.

My wants are stunning landscapes, castles, seashore, pubs and small villages.

Do you know of any tour companies that take most of that in?

Time frame is the last two weeks of September.

Thanks
 

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I don't know about accommodation and traveling but, if you are going to the West coast of Scotland take some good insect repellent. The midges are fearsome.
 

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My wife and I are looking at spending a week in both locations. I don't feel like driving so will probably do a tour in both locations.

My wants are stunning landscapes, castles, seashore, pubs and small villages.

Do you know of any tour companies that take most of that in?

Time frame is the last two weeks of September.

Thanks

I found driving in Ireland or the UK easy. After two or three days at night I was dreaming that I was driving on the left side of the road without thinking about it. A GPS helps one find the way around.
 

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Connemara was stunning landscapes. I really enjoyed the Aran islands as well (Inish Mor). Watch the old Flaherty Documentary “Man of Aran”, then rent a room in the BnB in the house the movie features. In Inish Mor is a bronze age fort—Dun Aengus which is beautiful. There is an old castle in practically everyone’s back yard. The Burren was also beautiful in a stark way. You realize that the island is a rock with a very thin layer of dirt on it.

Unfortunately I’ve never been to Scotland, so I can’t help you there.
 

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I spent some time in Scotland in '00 and my wife and I were in Ireland in 2017. I too found the driving in Ireland ok to manage. In my mid-forties, I could not however figure out the jetlag. I haven't been able to sleep on a plane since before travel went to complete hell in about '04. (Unless I pony up for 1st class which doesn't happen often). Our Ireland trip was only Dublin and Kinsale. I would be fine skipping Dublin on a subsequent trip. (Nothing against Dublin, we just didn't do any city specific things).
For Scotland, my trip was while I was in college and in my late 20's so the jet-lag thing was easy to party right through. We were "based" in Arbroath and branched out from there with multiple day trips, 3 nights out on the Isle of Harris and closed out with 3 nights in Glasgow. Our total trip was 20 days.
There are some "mini" cliffs of Moher down near the old head of Kinsale (Ireland) which are very scenic. As of our trip, the old head of Kinsale was a private golf club with no public access. I even tried to bribe the gate guy with a tenner just to go walk out to the lighthouse and got denied. It would be a pretty awesome site to walk around if allowed.
Even though a lot of the relative distances are short (if you're used to US road tripping), the travel times getting around in the greater UK can be daunting. Dublin to the cliffs of Moher for example is around 3 hours one way.

https://www.pbs.org/show/irelands-wild-coast/ This is a good watch, and recent. I'm pretty sure there's a recent "Ireland from above." as well.

I would happily go back to either country. I've currently got a Norway/Sweden bug rattling around in my head though.
 

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Wife and I spent a couple of weeks in Scotland in ‘19. Rented a car and stayed in Airbnbs. Had a great time and saw quite a few castles.
 

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My wife and I are looking at spending a week in both locations. I don't feel like driving so will probably do a tour in both locations.

My wants are stunning landscapes, castles, seashore, pubs and small villages.

Do you know of any tour companies that take most of that in?

Time frame is the last two weeks of September.

Thanks

Ifound Scotland photographically challenging(very monotone landscapes) to be kind and not say 'boring' but it might be my lack of skill and vision.
 

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Scotland - I've been to Edinburgh a couple of times in the early 2000's and hiked on the isle of Arran (not to be confused with the Aran Islands mentioned by @abruzzi!!) for a few days back in 2010. I've always found Edinburgh a fairly pleasant city - I say fairly, because my memories of the place are mostly somewhat chilly/cold weather, but very warm and friendly people - which we also found to be true for the Irish. In terms of the landscape, I found our stay on Arran far more interesting than the bit of the east coast we explored (from Edinburgh up through Lothian to Dundee). Weather was surprisingly pleasant when I was there, which was the first week of May.

Coincidentally there was some talk between me and my girlfriend of going to Scotland this May, but we ended up choosing Sicily instead for a variety of reasons. One of them being that I'm not to thrilled about the drive-left experience to be honest (the times I visited previously we hitched rides and used public transport), and I really like the Mediterranean climate...Still, I wouldn't mind going back to either (or both) Scotland or Ireland one day. I'd certainly try to go in May/June though.
 

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If you are looking for bus tours in Ireland, you could try some of these.

https://www.paddywagontours.com/

Dublin based:
https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Attracti...ic_Way_and_Galway_City_from_Dublin-Dubli.html

https://www.viator.com/en-IE/tours/...y-and-Ross-Errilly-Friary/d5156-5750CONNEMARA

Public transport in rural Ireland (outside Dublin) can be very patchy.

Renting a car will let you explore the less-traveled road. (we drive on the left ) Yes the roads can be narrow and it looks like the big bus or truck will crush you, BUT it never happens and you just slow down a little and pass.
Also, remember that automatic cars are not that readily available to rent.

My advice is to avoid Dublin, it's over priced, crowded and hassle.

Maybe try this: https://www.thewildatlanticway.com/
It should satisfy your desire for stunning landscapes, castles, seashore, pubs and small villages.

Remember the currency in Republic of Ireland is Euro, Northern Ireland is Pound Sterling.

I am sure some of our Scottish members can give advice on Scotland.
 

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I’m in England, so I’m as much a tourist in Scotland or Ireland as you will be. Hence I can’t offer any help on tour companies. What I would advise is that travel takes far longer than you might imagine. Even if you are not driving, you will be dependent on road travel to see the things you list. Google Maps or Apple Maps are your friends in this respect: pick a couple of places you fancy seeing as an example and get an estimate of the travel time between them. I bet you will be shocked!
 

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I’m in England, so I’m as much a tourist in Scotland or Ireland as you will be. Hence I can’t offer any help on tour companies. What I would advise is that travel takes far longer than you might imagine. Even if you are not driving, you will be dependent on road travel to see the things you list. Google Maps or Apple Maps are your friends in this respect: pick a couple of places you fancy seeing as an example and get an estimate of the travel time between them. I bet you will be shocked!

Moving around quickly in Scotland and Ireland as we do in the US is not possible. The roads are for getting around, not traveling at 60 mph or 100kmph. 8 inches on a map, takes longer to travel.
 

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Beware the midges. If you get bitten and kill a few 10000 will come to the wake.
 

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I visited UK in 1985 on a photography trip and went to the Isle of Skye. I brought my Yashica 124-G and rolls of 220. I recall taking a ferry to the island, but I see they have a bridge now.
I had just received Fay Godwin's book "Land" prior to the trip. The book was a big influence on my work at the time. The insert is one of Godwin's images from Skye.
I did not go with a tour group. Just day-by-day travel with a single friend that had lived in UK for a year previously.
I recall in London and larger cities worried my Yashica could be nicked, so I carried it around in a plastic grocery bag.
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Moving around quickly in Scotland and Ireland as we do in the US is not possible. The roads are for getting around, not traveling at 60 mph or 100kmph. 8 inches on a map, takes longer to travel.

Having lived in Ireland, I feel compelled to point out that the island is only 170 miles across. (The whole island is about the size of Indiana.) And while the roads are not interstates, people often traverse them at interstate speeds. I used to hitchhike across the island from Dublin. It rarely took me more than a few hours.

Because Ireland is small, it is easy to navigate. Eric, the place is rich in photographic subjects -- natural basalt formations, medieval monastic ruins, Georgian towns, breathtaking seacoasts. If you DM me with your interests, I would be happy to tailor some suggestions for you.
 

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'highway' in Ireland is often a euphemism...barely a 2-lane road where cars pass in opposite directions (in many cases without lots of room in each direction)
 

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When in Ireland drink Guinness.
When in Scotland drink Scotch, not the expensive stuff, go Famous Grouse as the locals do!
Drink in moderation , over consumption can be the cause of fuzzy negatives and prints especially when shooting manual focus!
 

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when I visited (~1997 with just a Nikkormat FTn and a 50mm f2 lens) driving the roads was the most fun. It really isn't that hard, until you get to a roundabout or intersection. There were "highways" where traffic maintained reasonable speeds, but once you got off those, it fairly quickly turned into one lane roads with pull-offs to let opposing traffic get past. When we picked up the rental car, every car in the parking lot had a cracked driver side mirror. I came to realize that it probably came from opposing traffic whacking mirrors as they pass each other. (fortunately that never happened to me, but that was because I was very careful to fold the mirror in on tight passes.
 

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I've lived in New York, Dublin and London among other cities. Moved back to the states in 1987. Since then I haven't let more than 5 years pass without a return trip to Dublin. I admit I'm a city kid but I do like the countryside too, and that said Dublin is one of my favorite places. To properly enjoy it you need to studiously avoid the touristy places: O'Connell Street, Grafton Street and the quays and nearby environs (ie, Temple Bar). These are where the hotels and tourist traps are concentrated. Go a few blocks off Grafton Street, for example, and you'll find some decent cafes and a few good pubs. Trinity College has a nice old fashioned campus and is mostly safe from tourists--they go to queue up for the book of Kells and then leave. If you head toward Merrion Square you're in a mixed small business/residential neighborhood that's often very pleasant. Check out the Peppercanister Church. Stephen's Green is a tourist attraction but also heavily populated by Dubliners, and there's a lot to see and do nearby. I like to head west from Merrion Square on Nassau street , take a left on Dawson Street, hit Hodges Figgis bookstore and then poke around in the sidestreets between Dawson and Grafton Street--lots of small shops, cafes and a few good pubs to explore. Head across Grafton Street, maybe go up to South King Street or the Powerscourt center to the George's Street market then along Aungier Street to John Gunn's camera shop (to buy more film).

Howth is worth a trip--the DART train goes right there. It's a proper fishing village (or started out that way), and still pretty photogenic. I lived on the south side, so I favor places like Sandymount, Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire and Dalkey--all easily accessible from the DART. If you jump off at Dalkey, you can hike up Killiney Hill for one of the best views of Dublin to the north and Bray Head to the south. Go up there at sunrise or sunset. And you can ride the DART all the way south to Bray, a cool old seaside resort town.

The counties just south of Dublin are excellent for exploring. Wicklow is full of small villages and some dramatic open landscapes. Glendalough is stunning scenery and ancient stone structures, but go in the morning before the tourist buses arrive. And if you've rented a car, County Wexford is worth exploring. I'm particularly fond of the Barrow River valley down around Graiguenamanagh.

And Ireland has motorways. You can fly cross-country or up to the wee north in good time. Get off the motorway and onto the local roads and you start encountering 1 1/2 lane roads with mammoth hedgerows on either side that can slow you down. Still, I used to drive my Mini from my place in Dundrum (Dublin) to Tralee in about four hours before the motorways went up. Concepts of distance there are very different from those in North America. (When I arrived in Tralee my friends there would offer a hot shower and ask if I needed a rest.) I'm guessing from your location identifier that you might be in Canada...?

I've done a few bus tours and sworn off them. I always found myself lagging behind or straying away to shoot a photo of something interesting (like, without the heads of tourists in the frame) and being scolded by some tour guide for holding up our progress to the tacky gift shops. Never again. So my advice is to dispense with the tours and buy some reputable guide books and design your own tour, do it at your own speed and be ready to split off from it when something interesting catches your eye. Public transit is very good in the east of Ireland, less reliable as you go out into the countryside. There's good rail service to Galway and Cork and up to Belfast; less so to the more remote places. Cars are problematic for some of us because of the need to drive on the left, but the more difficult problem is that Irish drivers, as in much of Europe, are accustomed to smaller cars and have a much more acute sense of space that permits them to squeeze through tighter situations that others might think were impossible. You might well find that driving on the left is less frightening than you thought it would be. Just remember that turning right on a red light could be fatal.

Just my two eurocents' worth.
 

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when I visited (~1997 with just a Nikkormat FTn and a 50mm f2 lens) driving the roads was the most fun. It really isn't that hard, until you get to a roundabout or intersection. There were "highways" where traffic maintained reasonable speeds, but once you got off those, it fairly quickly turned into one lane roads with pull-offs to let opposing traffic get past. When we picked up the rental car, every car in the parking lot had a cracked driver side mirror. I came to realize that it probably came from opposing traffic whacking mirrors as they pass each other. (fortunately that never happened to me, but that was because I was very careful to fold the mirror in on tight passes.

The cars were just high fiving each other.
 

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I lived on the south side, so I favor places like Sandymount, Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire and Dalkey--all easily accessible from the DART. If you jump off at Dalkey, you can hike up Killiney Hill for one of the best views of Dublin to the north and Bray Head to the south.

I lived in Dalkey as a graduate student at Trinity — on the Coliemore Road, just past the convent. (And tended bar at the Dalkey Island Pub, ages ago.) It was a sweet place. Also nearby is a pleasant walk around Bray Head to Greystones. You could do worse.
 

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I've done a few bus tours and sworn off them. I always found myself lagging behind or straying away to shoot a photo of something interesting (like, without the heads of tourists in the frame) and being scolded by some tour guide for holding up our progress to the tacky gift shops. Never again. So my advice is to dispense with the tours and buy some reputable guide books and design your own tour, do it at your own speed and be ready to split off from it when something interesting catches your eye. Public transit is very good in the east of Ireland, less reliable as you go out into the countryside. There's good rail service to Galway and Cork and up to Belfast; less so to the more remote places. Cars are problematic for some of us because of the need to drive on the left, but the more difficult problem is that Irish drivers, as in much of Europe, are accustomed to smaller cars and have a much more acute sense of space that permits them to squeeze through tighter situations that others might think were impossible. You might well find that driving on the left is less frightening than you thought it would be. Just remember that turning right on a red light could be fatal.

Just my two eurocents' worth.

Bus tours are based on getting kick backs from tacky gift shops and keeping anyone from getting good photographs. I gave up bus tours five decades ago.
 

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I lived in Dalkey as a graduate student at Trinity — on the Coliemore Road, just past the convent. (And tended bar at the Dalkey Island Pub, ages ago.) It was a sweet place. Also nearby is a pleasant walk around Bray Head to Greystones. You could do worse.
Too right! I was just over in October (covid was the reason for the 5-year hiatus) and first thing I did when I got home was to start planning the next trip.
 
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