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I was in the middle of mixing up some Kodak Rapid Fixer when the phone rang. I went to get it, but the distraction made me foul up my math, which doesn't take much. The first hint that there was something wrong was when I poured the mixed up fixer from my mixing bucket into the 1 gallon bottle and it began to overflow. Looks like I added 30 OZ too much water. Or, instead of adding about 28 OZ to the fixer liquid to come up w/ 128 OZ working solution, I added 60, coming up w/ 160 OZ. It failed to fit into my 128 OZ bottle :[

Think I can add some time, or pitch it and order more? I did a clip test, and it took 45 seconds to clear a film leader.
 
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I'd add an extra quantity of fixer to get the ratio right and find additional containers to hold it. I'd do this even if you can only guess how much of the fixer is water and it seems you can make an accurate guess. Provided you err on the generous side with the fixer then a slightly stronger fixer will do no harm.

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or just go ahead and fill the gallon, not worry about the rest, or save the rest and use it. The fixer will be dilute, but should still fix the film, probably just not as much film.

You gotta remember that fixer works by removing undeveloped silver halide -- a dilute solution will still do that, just won't have the same capacity. Fix for 5 minutes, take a look -- if the film is still cloudy then fix some more, but i bet it will work just fine..
 
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Can't add anything, unfortunately. The bottle is full, some went down the sink drain when the bottle overflowed, and I pitched the left over (although now I see I should have saved it in another container). I wish I could blame this on the cat. She's always a likely suspect in this sort of thing, but she was sleeping in the bedroom.
 

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You can use it as paper fixer instead of film fixer, or you can use about 2.5x the normal film fixing time. Wash longer as well, and check the film or paper for retained silver and retained hypo.

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Why are you mixing up a full gallon of Rapid Fixer? Do you have one gallon trays or tanks?
 
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That's what I was thinking PE, but it has the hardener in it. Would that make a difference using it as a paper fixer?

By your calculations I would have to fix it for 12.5 minutes if I use it for film. That's doable.

It was for film Matt. One gallon is the stock solution for the one gallon kit.
 

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so if it's a stock solution, do you then dilute to a working solution? If so, just don't dilute as much?
 

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That's what I was thinking PE, but it has the hardener in it. Would that make a difference using it as a paper fixer?

By your calculations I would have to fix it for 12.5 minutes if I use it for film. That's doable.

It was for film Matt. One gallon is the stock solution for the one gallon kit.

Well, most of todays films and papers do not need hardener. And, even so a little goes a long way.

But, OTOH, you goofed and so it is your call.

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It was for film Matt. One gallon is the stock solution for the one gallon kit.

But that means you felt compelled to use up the whole bottle.

You don't have to.

Just as you don't have to add the hardener - most of us don't, because it isn't necessary for film, and it makes washing prints more difficult.
 

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But that means you felt compelled to use up the whole bottle.

You don't have to.

Just as you don't have to add the hardener - most of us don't, because it isn't necessary for film, and it makes washing prints more difficult.

Buy the straight sodium thio powder and make up a standard acid or non acid fixer formula.
 
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I do not feel compelled to use the whole bottle, unless you mean eventually. I always make up a gallon stock solution from the one gallon Kodak kit. That's the directions from Kodak. Everyone does that. Then one uses what one needs for each developing session out of the gallon jug of stock solution. Generally, I pour it back into the stock solution, and it lasts a good long time. It was in the mixing up of the stock solution that I erred. I put the hardener in because some of the films I use have soft, fragile emulsions and need it. It was fixer for film, not paper.

This is all reminding me too much of grade school. Yes, it was my mess up. Who said it wasn't? Should have just googled it instead of asking for advice on this forum.
 
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I do not feel compelled to use the whole bottle, unless you mean eventually. I always make up a gallon stock solution from the one gallon Kodak kit. That's the directions from Kodak. Everyone does that. Then one uses what one needs for each developing session out of the gallon jug of stock solution. Generally, I pour it back into the stock solution, and it lasts a good long time.

Momus,

Everyone makes mistakes like this, even after years of experience, so don't feel bad.

As for following directions, that's good too.

However, you should be aware that you do not necessarily need to mix up the entire bottle of Rapid Fix at once. Many of us, including myself, mix what they need for a session from the stock solution and then discard it afterwards. In other words, not "everyone does that."

This practice has a couple of advantages. First and foremost, the fixer stock solution has a much longer shelf life than the working solution, even in a tightly-stoppered full bottle. By mixing up just what you need for one session, you eliminate any possible problems with the solution going bad due to age. Kodak's instructions for their Rapid fix state clearly 1:3 (1+3) dilution for films, 1:7 (1+7) dilution for papers; no indication about needing to mix the entire bottle...

Secondly, mixing what you need when you need it saves on storage space. I mix 500ml to 4 liters of fix at a time depending on what I'm doing. I buy Hypam or Rapid Fix in the five-liter size (dilutions 1+3 for film, 1+9 for paper). I'm not about to mix up 50 liters of print fix anytime soon... much less store it for long periods of time.

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I have to second what has been said here. Everyone makes mistakes. And not everyone mixes up the whole of any liquid kit if it is a uniform liquid. You can use any part of a complete kit you wish. And, I am glad you have not seen some of my mistakes both in my home lab and at EK where I was dealing with a lot of material.

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I do not feel compelled to use the whole bottle, unless you mean eventually. I always make up a gallon stock solution from the one gallon Kodak kit. That's the directions from Kodak. Everyone does that. Then one uses what one needs for each developing session out of the gallon jug of stock solution. Generally, I pour it back into the stock solution, and it lasts a good long time. It was in the mixing up of the stock solution that I erred. I put the hardener in because some of the films I use have soft, fragile emulsions and need it. It was fixer for film, not paper.

This is all reminding me too much of grade school. Yes, it was my mess up. Who said it wasn't? Should have just googled it instead of asking for advice on this forum.

Hi momus:

It wasn't that serious a screw up - lots of us have done worse, and recently too!

But as mentioned above, many (most?) of us don't mix up the whole gallon of 1+3 Rapid Fixer at the same time. In my case, I mix up 1.25 litres at a time (without hardener). I then use that stock to develop my film until:
a) the clip test indicates it is time to discard/recycle it; or
b) I reach 60% (24) of the Kodak capacity recommendation (40 rolls),
whatever comes first.

You could do the same with the hardener.

The advantages of mixing the smaller quantity are:

1) smaller, more easily handled bottles;
2) better storage life for the un-mixed remnants; and
3) it is easier to keep track of 24-40 rolls of use, than something between 96 and 160.

The disadvantages are that you have to measure a relatively small amount of hardener (if you are using it) each time you make a batch and that you need to keep track of a couple of extra smaller bottles.

You can adjust the size of the batch you make - 1 US quart has a capacity recommendation of 32 rolls.
 

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To all, FYI, this was a grand "leg pull" directed at Matt and for the newbies who might not have this elementary factoid (post #17), in their brains at birth! :D

PE
 
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