Lol, I assure you nothing would ruin my holga experience more than exactness would! This is purely a minor curiosity for me.According to the Holga Manual the cloudy setting is equivalent to f8 and the sunny setting is equivalent to f11.
The shutter speed, based on the manual, is 1/100 seconds.
This is for the Holga 120n.
However, based on the rather relaxed build quality of this camera you may in fact get aperture settings as tight as f/20 or as loose as f/5.6. Likewise the shutter speed may have a certain amount of variation.
If you are truly worried about achieving exact exposures you may not be using the proper camera.
Lol, I assure you nothing would ruin my holga experience more than exactness would! This is purely a minor curiosity for me.
And the actual aperture numbers and shutter speed don't matter to me at all. Just the process of selecting an aperture. To cover or to show. That is all. Not a big deal at all. I just have a lot of free time right now so I thought I'd throw it out there.
Thanks for all the answers/opinions and even for the random numbers people seem to love throwing around!
I just always leave the sun exposed. I don't think it actually does anything when you move that switch.
I picked up an EF-mount Holga lens; I think it's f/whatever. :confused:
Actually you can measure this more easy on canon or nikon body. Even more easy if you have digital body: the same shutter speed all the time, take couple of shots with normal lens on different f stops, then with holga lens and then compare what is the f stop of the lens that is more less the same illumination as from holga lens.
Now I have to do that, just to find out.
Actually you can measure this more easy on canon or nikon body. Even more easy if you have digital body: the same shutter speed all the time, take couple of shots with normal lens on different f stops, then with holga lens and then compare what is the f stop of the lens that is more less the same illumination as from holga lens.
do what your holga say. when there are bright sun light then use a sun mode as well as cloud mode in a cloudy light. Use flash in shade, with a sun mode if your object are less than 3 feet.
Clearly.do what your holga say. when there are bright sun light then use a sun mode as well as cloud mode in a cloudy light. Use flash in shade, with a sun mode if your object are less than 3 feet.
That manual says the same thing? Could you quote me the part of that manual that says that? I can't find it. All I can find is the same kind of stuff it has in the regular ol' paper manual that comes with the camera:If it's sunny, the "sun" should be showing. If it's cloudy, have the "cloud" showing. Here's an instruction manual that says the same thing: click.
Right. Already covered in previous posts that I've done all that. Thanks.However, as has been noted before, if you have an older Holga, changing from cloud to sun (and vice versa) does NOTHING - the aperture is the same for both (about f/13). Apparently the newer Holgas do have two different apertures. If you're not sure what you have, take the back off your camera (of course with no film inside it) and look at what happens when you change from sunny to cloudy setting. If the hole stays the same size, then you know you have a one aperture camera. If it changes, you've got two. You could also do some testing to see if the switch makes a difference - just shoot the same scene twice, changing the settings between cloudy and sunny. When you develop your negs (or get them done elsewhere) you should be able to see if there's a difference or not. With black and white film I wouldn't worry too much about it - the one-stop difference in exposure between the two settings shouldn't make a huge difference to how the negs turn out.
That manual says the same thing? Could you quote me the part of that manual that says that? I can't find it. All I can find is the same kind of stuff it has in the regular ol' paper manual that comes with the camera:
"Set the aperture according to the weather/environmental conditions :
- Sunny symbol for sunny outdoor occasions; and
- Flash/Cloudy symbol for for cloudy outdoor or insufficiently lit-up indoor occasions."
I did that. It appears that something moves, like a window swinging down or something. But I sure can't tell if it's bigger or smaller. Like I said, in practice I don't notice a difference regardless of which setting it's on.
And yep, I've definitely noticed no change in results -- but in my cameras the click actually is something happening (a little window thingie swinging down) but it doesn't appear to really affect anything.
Oh, I don't really need to know any of it, lol. I'm just curious.
Well, I don't really care what the actual apertures are but at least now I officially have someone saying that to select the cloudy setting (for the larger aperture) I want to have the cloudy picture showing, not covered -- which is the opposite of what my instincts were. Thank you.
Yeah, I don't care what the exact f/stop is - just where I need the selector switch to be to select the one that's allegedly larger. Not trying to nail down any specs at all.
I agree entirely with your "just use your unit ..." sentence and that's exactly what I've done. ...
Lol, I assure you nothing would ruin my holga experience more than exactness would! This is purely a minor curiosity for me.
And the actual aperture numbers and shutter speed don't matter to me at all. Just the process of selecting an aperture. To cover or to show. That is all. Not a big deal at all.
You are overthinking this.
I'm not overthinking a thing thanks. I give this very little thought whatsoever and in the big picture it's not very important to me at all. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something in that manual you linked to, since the manual's ambiguous wording is pretty much what led to the question being asked in the first place.That is exactly what this says! You are overthinking this. The sunny symbol should be showing for sunny. The cloudy symbol should be showing for cloudy. I am not the first person in this thread to have said so, yet you continue to show confusion about this. You are right in that no manual shows you this exactly -- I have 5 holgas, both versions of "Plastic Cameras" by Michelle Bates, and looked at all my online Holga resources to help you out. I have found nothing that indicates what you are looking for, but you keep asking even though everyone has been telling you the same thing.
And, as YOU have mentioned, you don't seem to see any aperture change with your camera, which means it does not matter what setting you have it on.
To be honest, I never adjust ANY of the settings on the camera, other than N and B. The first thing I do with every Holga is throw away the lens cap, remove the insert and tape up the exposed bits to protect the film, and then it's ready to go. It's so far from being a precision instrument that worrying about cloudy/sunny settings and focus is not necessary...at least for me - and from what I understand from your posts, not for you either:
Nope.Yep.
Worrying about being able to adjust by 1-stop (whether possible or imagined) with a Holga, when shooting negatives, borders on ludicrous, unless one is in a studio. Actually probably even then.
Nope.
Not worrying about this at all.
Nope. I've noticed absolutely no difference in photos taken with either setting.
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