a rant for an introduction.... from canada

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this morning on a daily national news programme, there was a story about the five best iphone apps and this beautiful but ill-informed reporter came out with a statement that just floored me... so i had to respond.

"As a professional photographer, I must take exception to Ms Macdonald's comment that by using an iphone app you can "take photos and look like a professional photographer".
No, you will look like a person who uses a phone to create snapshots.... some interesting images being created these days and it is exciting to see three year olds getting involved with snapshots. But using the term professional in the same breath as iphone is just stupid.
You are denigrating those of us who are professionals and debasing the concept of true photography. Those of us who pre-visualize and use our education and experience and creativity to produce an image that is strong and stands on its own must stand up to this insanity..... a crooked snapshot with burned-out highlights and skin tones looking like george hamilton at the melanoma clinic is not art... it's just a crappy photo. If you photoshop an image to death or maybe create a fine looking image through your computer, are you a professional photographer or professional photoshopper? If you give me a scalpel and a mask, I still don't think you would let me do an appendectomy on you.
It is wonderful that the digital age has so many people enjoying the creative process of taking a photograph but this dumbing down of the arts and the lowering of standards/expectations to the point where
having garage band software on your mac makes you a "musician" is creating a populace which doesn't know what a professional artist truly is. The standards
are becoming more in tune with..... well, it's good enough. Recently, a new self-proclaimed professional in town advertised father's day family portraits at $20 for 20 minutes. I recently spent 3 hours with a family celebrating the parents' 50th wedding anniversary... and yes there is a difference.
There is a difference between a professional and those with a camera and business card. And let's not get into comparing those who only shoot digital and those, like myself, who have embraced the newest digital gear but also employ the beauty and permanence of FILM!
My complaint about iphones and digital cameras is that too often, they lead to the theory of spray and pray or if you throw enough "mud" at the wall, something will stick. If you want to make your iphone images look like those of a professional photographer then study the work of some of those professionals......learn about composition, exposure etc. Don't just stick a phone in front of your face with one hand and go click..... do it right.... and once. You can take beautiful photographs with an iphone.... books have been printed with these images..... but it is the person behind the camera whether or not it is a plastic Holga camera or an 8x10 camera owned by Karsh at one time.

Creating professional-looking photographs requires more than a cell phone and an app'........ so when you hire a "pro" to do your wedding and he leaps around*
snapping with his iphone, you might want to consider
that you have made an error. *But then CTV seems to promote this new professionalism!
All the best,
Richard Brown www.richardbrownphoto.ca"
 
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God save the Queen.
What a ginormous epistle.

"As a professional photographer, I must take exception to Ms Macdonald's comment that by using an iphone app you can "take photos and look like a professional photographer".


Remember, the true professionals step back and let the fools and hobbits have their time in the sun.
 

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Remember, the true professionals step back and let the fools and hobbits have their time in the sun.

Although I know that your statement has some deep truth in it, we must remember that a professional photographer relies on his/her audience and buyers to earn the living. How wide this target is, it depends on the ongoing taste. Whether it's a niche market or a great mass, it's still subject to that law.
If we live-and-let-die too much, that audience will lose the ability to discern the difference between a good photograph and a snapshot. We can all see that happening right now, and to a rather worrying degree.
So I believe that, simply as people who can tell a snapshot and a well-made photograph aside, our ethical task is also to educate a bit.
I stand beside Richard great time here, especially considering that the original writer is supposed to be a professional journalist, not a bored talk-bout-everything grandma.

Ciao
M
 

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Welcome! Where in the Rockies do you live? Jasper used to be my second home while I lived in Grande Prairie and Edmonton...
 

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A tool is just a tool ... would I go on a professional shoot with just an iPhone? No. Can people make art with an iPhone? Sure.

I have GarageBand and I take exception to his comparision. It may look "dumber" than ProTools or Cubase, but its how you learn to use it, and of course the music you put INTO it. I know plenty of people who have used it to make recordings that sound just as professional as anything else.

The real statement should be, you could put an ill-trained audio engineer behind a $100,000 ProTools rig and get really crappy recordings His statement should also read "owning a ProTools rig doesn't make you a professional musician." It just makes you a person with too much money, hehe.

I love film photography, I love the darkroom. I do not hate digital image making, and partake myself. Anyone can make crappy photos with anything. I mean even before the digital age, plenty of people with film cameras were "professional photographers" who ruined peoples weddings, etc etc.

I also think his statement "Creating professional-looking photographs requires more than a cell phone and an app" may become untrue pretty soon, if not already. Whether any of us like it or not. Of course we all have different criteria for what "professional looking photographs" means too. I've seen plenty of boring, uninspired portfolios that make people money. So if its a formula, an app can handle that

In the end though, his argument about cell phones vs music recording gear is a bad analogy. And as time move forward, the megapixels in phones will only go up as will the lens technology. He should really develop the "HolgaPhone" a cellphone that can take film
 
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Aw, lighten up, buddy!!! You're preaching to the choir! Ever if you weren't, though, your rant would be hurting professional photographers. It just makes them sound sound arrogant, aggressive, whiny, and low in self esteem (plus depicts them as shameless self promoters, with that little Website plug at the end).

I'd have preferred to have just said a simple, "Welcome to A.P.U.G.," but you have made that impossible by making a spectacle of yourself in your introduction.
 
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Here's the blog of John Lee. A great professional photographer that blogged about the difference between professional and amateur photographers. BTW he believes in film, shoots digitally also with his Iphone. Here in America, most television news is God awful. Telling half-truths with sound bites taken out of context. Consider the source and don't be so angry. Just spend your energy making great images like Mr. Lee.

http://thecameraroll.wordpress.com/category/economy/

Peace,
Don
 

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Welcome to APUG! I don't think you need to take someone's comment on TV so seriously and literally though. Camera manufacturers have been claiming "if you buy our new products, you can shoot like a PRO!" all a long. Yet, general public are well aware that's not true. Likewise, halfway educated public are well aware, iphone photograph will never match ones from dedicated cameras, let alone professionally taken photographs. Anyway, welcome!
 

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Well alrighty then, tell us how you really feel. *L* Thank you for mentioning that there are people out there that are able to do some wonderful things with cell phone cameras, and that they can produce real art, but it does take training and work to do so, that is what makes what you said a valid argument and not just a rant.

I do have a question though, it would appear that you are able to read and write, why didn't you ask if that qualifies you to be a news reporter or anchor for that mater, I bet they would have seen your point really quick if you asked that question.

Now here is something that is going to hurt really bad, back many years ago I heard a question on a game show and it shocked me, the question was "According to Kodak, 80% of these photos are taken by amateurs, what kind of photos are they?" The answer, wedding photos, it would appear that the more things the more they stay the same. I still think that people that try to capture important moments in their lives with crap cameras, or devices that aren't even primarily designed to be cameras are idiots, but that's just me.
 

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Guhhh, such pretension.
I hear this argument so much, "this guy is charging $50, while I charge $500, he is devaluing all of photography!!!"
if your work isn't good enough that people are willing to pay the premium, that's your problem
 

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I don't think that's the case, apconan.
If two guys are delivering the same kind of work at different prices, that's a market issue.
Here we're talking about "education", about making people believe that four snapshots taken with an iPhone are the same as an editorial shoot. Ib my opinion that's informed observation, not pretension.
 

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What's the point of ranting online? If people are willing to settle/pay for iPhone photos for an editorial shoot, that is how the market is. Sure, you can blame "stupid digital photographers" or "gullible consumers" or whatever you want to, but at a certain point you need to stop and realize that it's your fault.
 

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I think the statement "take photos and look like a professional photographer" can be interpreted in quite a few different ways and I don't necessarily see it as presumptuous. I don't think it implies that you can actually shoot a wedding or a special assignment with the iPhone but, yes, in the right hands, it can perform. The original post looks too much into a simple statement that can lead in different directions. Using iPhone and "professional" in the same statement is not stupid at all, as there are professionals who put it to good use so that doesn't stand and the comment seems drawn out in anger. I've seen absolutely crappy images taken with $20,000 worth of equipment, by professionals, and creative, beautiful stuff with plastic Holgas and iPhones by amateurs. It goes both ways. Here is an example (and I'm not patting myself on the back here, but just been realistic)..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/leicaman/4855294284/

I shot this 10 days ago while traveling..the light was perfect in the hotel room and caught my 16 month old in a cute pose. My "expensive gear" was packed in a different room and my iPhone was with me. Took two quick shots and edited in PS Mobile. Everyone I showed it to simply thought it was film, since it is what I shoot 99.9% of the time. Draw your own conclusions.

Max
 
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