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We are planning a month in Australia and we would like advice on how much time in each part or city, and which cities. Also is May or end of September and October better? We are interested in architecture, national parks and landmarks, and of course your amazing wildlife.

We may tie this trip to your close neighbor New Zealand which is just a 4200 km away.
 

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May is heading into winter, usually dry(ish) but not always, getting quite cool down south, nice inland and still warm, top end starting to dry out.

End of September into October, spring down south is usually well underway. Central Australia and the western parts of NSW and Qld are not too warm yet. Although you will probably have high 30's to just touching 40ºC in places; something we have seen and been through a few times in those months in the last five years. Western Australia is a completely different story, but the weather patterns and temperatures are similar.

Depends really what you like seeing and doing and how you will be travelling. Cities are one thing, rural is another and outback is completely different again.

When you look at a map of Australia, assume it is a map of the USA between Canada and Mexico, that will give you a sense of scale; it is roughly the same area and same size in many ways.

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Cities are one thing, rural is another and outback is completely different again.

We are interest in all three because we want to get a well balanced picture of Australia. The main reason that I started this thread is that the country is so large that I am having trouble figuring out what to see. Great Barrier Reef , the Outback, Uluru, Tasmania - Where to go? How much time? Which cities - every one has something to see. This is as hard as seeing the US including National Parks, Hawaii and Alaska in one month.
 

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Cities are one thing, rural is another and outback is completely different again.

Much of Oz is uninhabitable so Mick's summary is appropriate. There's a lot of ground in between that's of no interest unless your a modern day explorer! Winter (ours) is when you want to be in the North (Uluru/Kakadu/Kimberlies/etc). Summer months are not so nice in the north due to it's their rainy season and the associated humidity (mind you some people love that!).

At least you realise it a big country... try reading TripAdvisor where people want to do Australia in 5 days!!!!

I'd suggest figuring out if visiting NZ is really a desire. Work out if there's something there that you really want to see or experience as adding that to your trip impacts your itinerary for the Oz leg. Flights (mainly getting to the airport and waiting for the plane) waste so much time along with schedules that you must work around that you'll 'waste' a day each time you move location (the exception being Melb-Syd and similar short hops in that you can fly and have enough time to do something the same day)
 

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I'd suggest concentrating your trip around the east coast. Perth is beautiful but it is one of the most isolated cities in the world. I would start with about a week in each of Sydney and Melbourne, at least a few days in Brisbane and Adelaide. Adelaide also punches above its weight with food and wineries and is also quite close (a few hours drive) to the outback. The Great Ocean Road here in Victoria is stunning, but to see it properly you probably need three days. Also, don't be a stranger. There are lots of Apugger/Photrions especially in Sydney and Melbourne, and we would be glad to meet you.
 

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Interesting and unusual. Example: Sydney Opera House
I spend lots time shooting Brutalist architecture in Melbourne and Canberra but also Sydney and Adelaide. This is my insta :www.instagram.com/brutalistcharm

If you're into that kind of thing check out my insta and see what you like. I often post address so people can find the building i photograph. There are heaps i haven't shot of course, especially in Sydney.

You have to go to Sydney, then Melbourne but i suggest Canberra too.
 

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Maybe Canberra if you wish to pay homage to Walter Burley Griffin. Otherwise, not really.
I used to think that. I hated Canberra for years before i started to appreciate the Modernist architecture there. The best art galleries in Australia are there too. Love Canberra, looking forward to my next vist in a couple of months.
 

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For natural beauty, don't forget Tasmania if you have a chance to see it.
 
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We are interest in all three because we want to get a well balanced picture of Australia. The main reason that I started this thread is that the country is so large that I am having trouble figuring out what to see. Great Barrier Reef , the Outback, Uluru, Tasmania - Where to go? How much time? Which cities - every one has something to see. This is as hard as seeing the US including National Parks, Hawaii and Alaska in one month.


Plan on being here for 6 months, Sirius, not a couple of weeks!

You will probably fly in to Sydney, and there is plenty to see and do there before you move on e.g. the Opera House, Harbour Bridge, The Rocks, Circula Quay and the squillion dollar homes of Point Piper (where our PM is happily set up).

Distances in the outback, which is hot, dry and a lot of the time featureless, are large and boredom can be a problem. I know from our around-Australia trip in 2011. Straight up from Adelaide (The City of Churches) to Darwin via Alice Springs and the splendid "Devil's Marbles" (Karlu-Karlu) is thousands of kilometres of saltbush, gibber, mesa ("jump-ups"), mirages, heat, dust and flies. West from Darwin and the very long and boring road to beautiful Broome (pearls, food, Cable Beach) via, say, bewitchingly beautiful (and remote) 80 Mile Beach, down to Perth via Ningaloo Reef (swim with whale sharks, coral snorkelling)... Perth is a very tidy and beautiful city with a spotless rail network and bustling city. The Nullarbor is borrrrrrring as a drive but the sunrise and sunset light will make you gasp.

Queensland and the Great Barrier Reef are well worth seeing (Brisbane). The further north you travel in QLD, the more remote and hairy it gets (pat a crocodile??)

Uluru will necessitate a long drive if you fly from, say Alice Springs (around 440km/one way). We found it exceedingly busy and uncomfortable with tourists buses cluttering up car parks. Kata Tjuta/The Olgas are a fair distance away and also well worth seeing (nowhere near as busy and cluttered), but the walks there ("Valley of the Winds") are on the strenuous side when you factor in the heat. Kings Canyon is jaw dropping; it probably will remind you of the Grand Canyon, on a smaller scale, but it too can be very hot and dry (you need to always pack lots of water on your walks anywhere you go).

There are changes afoot to Uluru visitation, including but not limited to, a proposed ban on climbing Uluru (visitors should not be climbing Uluru anyway as it is disrespectful to the traditional owners). It is also illegal to photograph Ulura from certain angles e.g. in front at the Visitor Information Centre, and especially behind (that is to say, all walks and car parks are at the front) due to cultural sensitivities. People have had their cameras confiscated doing this by roaming indigenous rangers.

Across Bass Straight in Tasmania, you could lose yourself in its Spring-time beauty. Cradle Mountain National Park is always busy (even in the frigid winter months), and will be busy in Spring (September-October). Cradle Mountain, Mount Field National Park (Tassie's oldest national park and close to Hobart) and Freycinet National Park on the calm East Coast all warrant visits and stays. Be aware that it is a long drive from Devonport where you get off the Spirit of Tasmania ferry and desire to drive to Hobart down in the south (unless you fly direct to Hobart and skip the ferry, but it's an interesting experience, but not a cruise-ship experience!). A great place to spend a week or more and many, many choices for food. In the deep south of Hobart is the start of the South-West National Park (remote camping at Cockle Creek). The place to be if you like wild open spaces and less company, but if the weather turns, bunker down.

Canberra? Pass. It's bland and unserviceable as a destination, unless you want to keenly sit in on a debate in the House of Representatives at Parly House and watch them slug it out! Seriously though, it does have an interesting history and its demographics and geography make-up has unusual quirks.

I could fill chapter and verse about my home state of Victoria, but I think you will have a hard enough time with the rest of the States!
 
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Canberra? Pass. It's bland and unserviceable as a destination, unless you want to keenly sit in on a debate in the House of Representatives at Parly House and watch them slug it out! Seriously though, it does have an interesting history and its demographics and geography make-up has unusual quirks...

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go to Canberra instead of Melbourne or Sydney, or a host of other major tourist destinations (eg. the Gold Coast, Barrier Reef islands etc), but I think the bad rap Canberra gets is thoroughly unjustified.

"Lonely Planet’s Best in Travel 2018 names Canberra as best Australian city and top 10 in the world"

http://www.news.com.au/travel/austr...d/news-story/8da9ec4527ee732f65037e3426f6afed
 

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The reef is worth seeing if you are into things like that. I would heartily suggest you do a Cessna caravan aeroplane (seaplane version) trip. The one I have tried flies out of Airlie Beach Qld. I suggest the tour whereby you fly to the reef, about 100km offshore. Times are tide dependent, so really check ahead and you will need to book probably around a week in advance.

When you get to the reef they will land in a lagoon, sort of. They have a punt with a glass bottom in the hull for those who cannot or do not desire to snorkel or just plain swim. Once in the water you will be there for about an hour; at least it seemed like an hour to me. Clamber back into the tethered aeroplane and you are either off back to the mainland, or you could be on the whitest beach part of the trip, where you'll be given a token lunch. We had some pretty poor wrapped chocolate bars and a wrapped ice cream. It was around 36ºC on a white sand beach in the tropics, really stupid thing and certainly not healthy.

After the beach thing where you can have a decent swim, there were lots of people in their yachts waiting for the seaplane to take off; we did. We headed home and landed at Airlie, actually Whitsunday Air Port.
We stayed in a caravan park alongside the air port and walked through a hole in the fence straight to the terminal. One thing, if you weigh more than 136kg you won't be allowed on board. We witnessed one person booking for a flight at the terminal who looked rather large, he like everyone had to stand on the scales; he was knocked back.

We looked into all of the cruises, quite frankly they were packing them in like sardines, we bit the bullet and did the aeroplane trip. My sister in-law and her husband out from Germany, reckoned that this day was one of their best days of their 3 month holiday in Oz.

https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Attr...ORAMA&d=1554824&aidSuffix=tvrm&partner=Viator

You'll probably only be here once, so a splurge, if possible, could be worth it.

Mick.
 

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The Blue Mountains just west of Sydney are a nice place for scenery. While staying there, we drove to the Jenolin caves for an underground tour. Cairns is one gateway to the barrier reef, and also has rain forest tours nearby. I've stayed on Green Island off Cairns and used that for a base for an outer reef tour which was amazing. Plenty to see and do in Sydney and Melbourne. I drove from Brisbane to Sydney once and stayed a few days at Coffs Harbour (beach town) along the way. Uluru is on my list, but maybe next time. The Australia Zoo (Steve Irwin) about an hour north of Brisbane is a good day.

Australia is big. You're not going to see everything in a month. Don't try. My personal rule is stay at least three days in each place. It will increase to four when I get a little older and wiser.

Most of the big cities have a nice botanic garden or three and a zoo that displays a lot of the country's unique critters. The Art Gallery of New South Wales in Sydney has a good collection including from Aboriginal artists.
 
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I like spending time in fewer locations but seeing them well so that another time I could see other places. I never liked "If this is Tuesday, it must be ..."
 

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Having done the reverse a couple of times i get your pain about trying to decided were to go. Trying to see to much you will end end seeing airports more than anything else. Maybe land in Sydney, a few days there, hire a car, head out through blue mountains, then back into coast and tour the coastline to Melbourne. Plenty of local spots along the way.
 

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Hi... thinking about your planned visit and a suggested itinerary likely to meet many of the items on your wish list I’d recommend the following:


Day 1 - Arrive Sydney. Base yourself near Circular Quay. Take stock and look around... look for free tourist bus.


Day 2 - local tours include Circular Quay precinct- the Sydney Opera House, an early morning Sydney Bridge Climb, Ferry across Sydney Harbour to Taronga Zoo then on to Manly Beach, Harbour dinner cruise, Darling Harbour precinct and iconic Bondi Beach - short train ride from city.


Day 4 - join day tour to the Blue Mountains: things to do photograph maybe climb the 3 Sisters, Skywalk across canyon & scenic railway look here: http://www.infobluemountains.net.au/Default.htm this is a full day activity.


Day 5 - fly out to Proserpine airport & travel to Airlie Beach/Shute Harbour accommodation. Tours from there take you out to the Great Barrier Reef using hi-speed catamaran for opportunity to see the marine life, either snorkel or glass bottom boats. Tours include flights over the reef. Site: https://www.tourismwhitsundays.com.au/regions/whitsundaycoast/shute-harbour


Day 8 - fly out to Darwin (Northern Territory). Tours facilitate time at Kakadu National Park, Litchfield National Park, Bungle Bungles crocodile experiences and really your first direct contact with Aboriginal Culture. http://northernterritory.com/plan?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjuLD4eLo2AIVGwUqCh2z6gMrEAAYASABEgK77fD_BwE


Day 13 - join the one of Australia’s great train journeys from Darwin ( http://www.greatsouthernrail.com.au/trains/the-ghan ).The Ghan travels to either Adelaide or Overland rail to Melbourne. The trip offers off-train tours providing opportunity to get a taste of inland life and Aboriginal culture. Visit Katherine Gorge, Alice Springs & from there Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park plus MacDonnell Ranges National Park ( http://traveloutbackaustralia.com/outback-destinations/west-macdonnell-national-park.html ). Further down the line you come into Coober Pedy ( https://www.cooberpedy.sa.gov.au/page.aspx?u=181&c=393 ) for awesome landscapes plus an overview of Opal mining and underground living. Then later outback sheep stations & small isolated towns. So, dependent on the off-train tour schedules I’d aim to be in Melbourne for coffee with the locals by, say, day 22.


Day 22 - Take the over night ferry, just for the experience, to Tasmania ( https://www.discovertasmania.com.au ) join a 5 day guided tour of the island to visit main “must see/visit” locations. It will be cold! Fly back to Melbourne.


Day 27 - arrive in Melbourne. Look for Skybus coach travel from the airport direct to your hotel/apartment. Suggest you base yourself in Southbank precinct on the Yarra river. Plenty of food choice plus Casino. Easy walk into the city, free tourist tram and inexpensive bus available. Inner city transport is superb as is the railway service. The local “Photrians” will entertain you and show you around - I suspect they are itching to do so...


Day 30 - Depart for home - exhausted but hopefully ready to return!


As has been already noted the the time of the year to visit is important for your comfort... my suggested period would be May - Aug. Be aware though that July could be more difficult for booking tours and transport because of school holidays. Your trip from Darwin would be in 30c heat with low overnight temperatures as you travel South - very cold. Arriving in Melbourne the temperature could be quite chilly and in Tasmania - near freezing.
 
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