A modified type 110 film and camera

[AgX]

I never used type 110, so this is a wild guess:



What about self-spooling type 110 cartridges

-) with self-cut film without backing paper

-) into a cartridge with an open back

-) used in a Pentax 110 modified with a pressure plate


Would this work?
The aim is of course to yield better precision of the film plane.

 

[Rick A]

110 film is 16mm in a cassette. If you are careful, you can take the cassettes apart, reload, and reuse. Our local Radio Shack had a few rolls on the shelf, I asked what was to become of them since they were several years expired, and was told they would sit until purchased(by the husband). I went in to buy them this morning and was told they were tossed in the trash(by the wife). Oh well, thats life.

Rick

 

[AgX]

But type 110 has backing paper and it is the cartridge that positions the film. It reminds me a bit of the issue with cine Super 8 cartridges.

 

[richard ide]

Just out of curiosity; why would you want to do something like this with such a small format?

 

[Anscojohn]

Avoids having to buy a Minox?

 

[Marvin]

Check out the Minolta 16 cameras they can be had for cheap on the bay. They have a film cartridge but have a pressure plate in the camera. You can reload the cartridges and find film on ebay.
Marvin

 

[AgX]

The idea was to improve on the Pentax 110 by modifying the film/camera interface, a bit like the Minox camera and cartridge.
Just an idea I had, when reading about the Pentax being useless due to that 110 cartridge.

 

[removed account4]

i think 110 cartridges are still being sold,
at least here in the states they are.

i bought 100 of them off of eBoink a few years ago ( for cheep!).
i am down to about 15 or 20 rolls,
when i run out, i will get a "slitter" and spool my own b/w ...

 

[ic-racer]

Most 16mm cameras will do that. The cartridges are re-usable. The pressure plate relaxes for film advance, then tightens for the shot. And , of course, no backing paper. Look for Minolta 16 cameras. They probably have cartridges that are the easiest to find.

Converting a 110 camera to 16mm is likely difficult because the film advance in many 110 cameras requires some weird holes in the film which are only found in 110 film and not easily reproduced.

 

[AgX]

Just an idea I had, when reading about the Pentax being useless due to that 110 cartridge.

I meant:....being useless due to that 110 cartridge design.

 

[Rick A]

If you check out this link, your question will be answered.

www.subclub.org/darkroom/roll110.htm

Rick

 

[AgX]

Rick, that article is about re-loading a type 110 cartrige, simulating the original type as much as possible.

My idea goes further in leaving out that backing paper and installing a pressure plate in the camera.

 

[Rick A]

Okay, but where would you locate it? Would you cut the backs from your cassettes, and place it on the camera back? I have a Rollei A110(that is waiting for some money to show up before I wave bye-bye) I'll study it --hmmm... Oh ya, what about the window? That would be easy enough to block, hmmm......

Rick

 

[Rick A]

Oh ya, I remember why the link-- film speed and indexing issues. Plus I thought you might access other info from that site to help you with your idea..

Rick

 

[ic-racer]

I may have missed the point of the original post.

If you want to convert a Pentax 110 SLR to 16mm that would really be a fantastic project! From my own experiences building and modifying cameras, I'd say it would be similar magnitude to putting a 4x5 back on a Polaroid. Not impossible, but still a good deal of work to get right.

I'd get ahold of Minolta or Rollei or other 16mm cartridges and see how hard it would be to modify the camera to make one of those fit.

 

[AgX]

My idea was to keep modifications as few as possible. So the idea was to modify the 110 cartridge by milling a hole in the back to give space for new pressure plate installed at the camera back.

I did not think of installing other cartridges, which would certainly need much more camera modifications...