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Useful to remember that Russia's "avant garde' of the twenties was totally dedicated to developing and executing a graphic and photographic language that was specifically intended as a top-down tool that could efficiently convey the party's edicts to the newly enslaved minority that was temporarily called "the people"...
 

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Useful to remember that Russia's "avant garde' of the twenties was totally dedicated to developing and executing a graphic and photographic language that was specifically intended as a top-down tool that could efficiently convey the party's edicts to the newly enslaved minority that was temporarily called "the people"...
You have a very specific and strange opinion about Soviet Union and the people. But probably nobody and never will be able to change it. Unfortunatelly.
 

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You have a very specific and strange opinion about Soviet Union and the people. But probably nobody and never will be able to change it. Unfortunatelly.

Do you disagree with anything I've said? Do you deny that USSR slaughtered more of it's own people than Germany slaughtered Jews? Do you remember that President-for-life Putin was KGB? That stuff is at least as significant as slaughter of Native Americans and Armenians... wouldn't you agree? LOL
 

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You have a very specific and strange opinion about Soviet Union and the people. But probably nobody and never will be able to change it. Unfortunatelly.

i think he wants the archive to show the "whole picture" not just part of it ...
the linked-to archive shows a slice of russia/soviet life
but it does not show the "important / bad stuff" ... and at what cost ?
will people see those images and not realize the other side of the coin? &c

there are archives, which typically are not organs of the state or federal
archives ( at least here in the states ), and there are private museums
and non profits that are keepers of the visual evidence of atrocities ...and hell on earth
since its usually the winners who write the HIStory and
the winners tend to revise things to suite their needs.
 
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Let us take that site just by its URL name Russia in Photo, nothing more, and enjoy it.
The site yields various search options.

As example I would like to show the works of Vsevolod Tarasevich
https://russiainphoto.ru/search/years-1965-1977/?author_ids=284

Yes, the site seems overwhelmingly positive to me, so much to see, with the rather obvious caveat that it's not an all encompassing history. I wish a resource like this would have been available in the 1970s so the ten year old me could have seen that regular children "over there" were just like me, no matter what the governments were doing. Families, dogs, fashion and food. It seems to me this is one of the strengths of photography.
 

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Do you disagree with anything I've said? Do you deny that USSR slaughtered more of it's own people than Germany slaughtered Jews? Do you remember that President-for-life Putin was KGB? That stuff is at least as significant as slaughter of Native Americans and Armenians... wouldn't you agree? LOL


Yes I agree. And I know that a lot of people was killed. But do you know many countries what was built without killing of their people? And do you hate these countries and their people same as the Soviet? Do you hate France and French as a nation for people they killed during the French revolutions? Do you know any country what blaming USA for killing Native Americans same often as Russia blamed for the past? Do you know any African county what blame today USA for all their people taken in slavery? And Mao killed a lot of people and the Communist party as previously ruling in China, do you blame them same often as Stalin and Soviet Union?

Yes I know a lot of people was killed and a lot of people was jailed. But the strange thing that most (not all of course) of them if they survived and get back from the jail didn’t keep that anger on the country and people and government. A lot of them was strictly believed that country was in trouble and a lot of mistakes was made but it is the past and things improving and we moving in the right direction. Unfortunately the problem of that country was in the corruption of the government. But the corruption was so hidden that not many can see and understand.

Yes I know that Putin from KGB. But the KGB you referencing in you posts is the KGB of 1920-1950. And Putin during that time didn’t exist or maybe was a little child. The KGB of 50es not the KGB of 70es or 80es. I even used to know somebody who work there. He was a nice friendly person, he would never do any troubles to nobody and never can kill somebody.

After 45 years of living in the Soviet Union and after that in USA I can compere both countries, and I see many things that was there I would appreciate in here too. Say free education in any schools, universities or after universities. Even more in Soviet Union students was paid a little by the government if they study hard and have a good grades, and education was not formal, but very, very good. Sport clubs and any clubs with different interests including photography or say model building or any other interests was free too. If you had financial problems to study full time, you can work during the day and study after work and you will get the same education and the same diploma, and again for free, and this is what I actually did during the collage years. I got my PHD without paying a penny for education, and I was paid by government during my study time. If you graduate from college in Soviet Union and get a diploma, you can go and work right away as an engineer or a doctor or an architect and you don’t need any licenses and tests. We used to have 1 full month paid vacation right from the first year of work. We used to have free medical service and hospitals and any operations was free. We used to have as many paid seek days in the year as needed to get better, just bring a document from the doctor to you work. The paid maternity leave vacation for the woman was 1 year after the birth of the child and 3 months before. The retirement age for the woman was 55 and for man 60. We never worry about losing the job. If you doing you work you never will be fired and slow you can grow up to some managing position. Or if you don’t like the company where you working you can look for another place and leave. We was mostly happy with life.
We was happy because we lived in the country where in every families and every houses you can see on the wall a portrait of the relative who was killed during the war (do you know another country like this). And the war was over and we won and we rebuild the country, and finally we can live and work and build the families and grow kids and educate them. Of course it was a bad sides in life too, but do you know the place where all things good from any sides? I don’t.

And last thing. Do you really believe that the KGB officers used to invite a photographers to document how they kill the people?
 

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Yes I agree. And I know that a lot of people was killed. But do you know many countries what was built without killing of their people? And do you hate these countries and their people same as the Soviet? Do you hate France and French as a nation for people they killed during the French revolutions? Do you know any country what blaming USA for killing Native Americans same often as Russia blamed for the past? Do you know any African county what blame today USA for all their people taken in slavery? And Mao killed a lot of people and the Communist party as previously ruling in China, do you blame them same often as Stalin and Soviet Union?

Yes I know a lot of people was killed and a lot of people was jailed. But the strange thing that most (not all of course) of them if they survived and get back from the jail didn’t keep that anger on the country and people and government. A lot of them was strictly believed that country was in trouble and a lot of mistakes was made but it is the past and things improving and we moving in the right direction. Unfortunately the problem of that country was in the corruption of the government. But the corruption was so hidden that not many can see and understand.

Yes I know that Putin from KGB. But the KGB you referencing in you posts is the KGB of 1920-1950. And Putin during that time didn’t exist or maybe was a little child. The KGB of 50es not the KGB of 70es or 80es. I even used to know somebody who work there. He was a nice friendly person, he would never do any troubles to nobody and never can kill somebody.

After 45 years of living in the Soviet Union and after that in USA I can compere both countries, and I see many things that was there I would appreciate in here too. Say free education in any schools, universities or after universities. Even more in Soviet Union students was paid a little by the government if they study hard and have a good grades, and education was not formal, but very, very good. Sport clubs and any clubs with different interests including photography or say model building or any other interests was free too. If you had financial problems to study full time, you can work during the day and study after work and you will get the same education and the same diploma, and again for free, and this is what I actually did during the collage years. I got my PHD without paying a penny for education, and I was paid by government during my study time. If you graduate from college in Soviet Union and get a diploma, you can go and work right away as an engineer or a doctor or an architect and you don’t need any licenses and tests. We used to have 1 full month paid vacation right from the first year of work. We used to have free medical service and hospitals and any operations was free. We used to have as many paid seek days in the year as needed to get better, just bring a document from the doctor to you work. The paid maternity leave vacation for the woman was 1 year after the birth of the child and 3 months before. The retirement age for the woman was 55 and for man 60. We never worry about losing the job. If you doing you work you never will be fired and slow you can grow up to some managing position. Or if you don’t like the company where you working you can look for another place and leave. We was mostly happy with life.
We was happy because we lived in the country where in every families and every houses you can see on the wall a portrait of the relative who was killed during the war (do you know another country like this). And the war was over and we won and we rebuild the country, and finally we can live and work and build the families and grow kids and educate them. Of course it was a bad sides in life too, but do you know the place where all things good from any sides? I don’t.

And last thing. Do you really believe that the KGB officers used to invite a photographers to document how they kill the people?


Thank you for sharing all of that. I really appreciate hearing first hand experience like yours.
 

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Thank you for sharing all of that. I really appreciate hearing first hand experience like yours.

You very welcome. I'm happy that people interested how we lived from the other side of the "iron curtain". I can tell more and more and not only about the positive sides but a negative to, but it is so much to type, and as always not to much time for this.
 

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great stuff ----
it is too bad there was no russian constructavist imagery ..
i was hoping for some home spun russian avante-guarde imagery in the 20s
i did see some solarized portraits .. so not all was lost to formalism

So far I have been strolling the 60s and 70s. And there the archive is dominated so far by photojournalists. That of course results in bias compared to private snapshots. But the same time it is esthetically enjoying.

Concerning arts, rare but still there is conceptional work as this

Yury Evlampiev
From the cycle "P-32"

https://187011.selcdn.ru/thumbnails/photos/9/f/h/9fh52b3307c41f72_1024.jpg
 

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And last thing. Do you really believe that the KGB officers used to invite a photographers to document how they kill the people?[/QUOTE]

Yes. Both KGB officers and (as we all know) various Nazi officers did photograph "how they kill the people" and in the case of USSR, the KGB records in Gorky, opened during Glassnost, documented "how." Failing to remember that is failing to remember the horror.

I don't mean to damn Russia, I mean to damn USSR and its rebirth under Putin's domination.
 
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