A few questions about the Epson V750 M Pro

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1) What is the maximum real dpi for scanning (beyond which there is no improvement in scan quality, just increased file size)? I've been using 4000dpi for my Nikon V ED, but the files are still quite manageable coming from 35mm film. A scan of a 5x7 sheet film in 16 bit greyscale at 4800 with the V750 gives a huge file of 1.4 GB- my computer can't handle this!

2) what is its true OD? (specs say 4.0 but I don't know if I believe it).

3) Are the Betterscanning sheet and roll film holders necessary if one was to use the included V750 Fluid Mount kit and only scan using fluid, not the film holders?

4) What is the recommended fluid for fluid mounting

5) is 3mm Mylar ok for fluid mounting, or should it be 1mm?

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I can't answer all your questions but here are some of my views:

1) I think the scanner has other limitation in most cases before you hit the max real dpi. I did some scans on a X1 (I think it was around 6400 dpi) and it was still pulling out detail from a Velvia slide beyond what a Minolta Multiscan (I think that was 4800dpi) was resolving.

If I try a comparison on my V700 with the betterscanning mount, I can't seem to resolve the same level of detail when scanning at 6400. I believe the limitations are down to a poor lens in the V700 coupled with a low DMax capability.

A friend of mine did some tests on a V700 and came up with an effective optical resolution of around 1800ppi. I have also seen other tests that place it around 2200ppi. Well short of the claimed 6400. My view is the other factors are preventing it from resolving the detail.

2) I assume what you call OD is what I call DMax. I have seen test stating this is nearer to 3.2. You might get a higher DMax using multiple exposure but then you run the risk of halos around high contrast edges.

3), 4) and 5) Sorry I don't have a clue.
 

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1) What is the maximum real dpi for scanning

As others have reported you should expect a real spi of 1800 to 2200.

2) what is its true OD? (specs say 4.0 but I don't know if I believe it).

Scan a step tablet to determine what your scanner is producing,

3) Are the Betterscanning sheet and roll film holders necessary if one was to use the included V750 Fluid Mount kit and only scan using fluid, not the film holders?

All of the Betterscanning products are superior to the Epson holders.

4) What is the recommended fluid for fluid mounting

Most folks recommend Kami fluid.

5) is 3mm Mylar ok for fluid mounting, or should it be 1mm?

You mean 1 mil or 3 mil. Use scanning mylar. Check out this PDF by Nash editions for some more details:

http://www.nasheditions.com/pages/liquid_mounting.pdf

Or this video tutorial by Aztec scanning:

http://www.aztek.com/Video Demonstrations/AZTEK KAMI Wet Mounting Flatbed video.wmv



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Re: scanning resolution. I posted a similar question at one time and received this response if it helps any.

The basic way of figuring out the necessary scan resolution is to divide the length of the print by the length of the film, so:

10 inches / 1.5 inches = 6.66

Then multiply this by the print resolution, which is typically 300dpi, though some people insist Epson uses 360dpi. Assuming 300dpi:

300 x 6.66 = 2000dpi scanning resolution.

Make sure your scanner can go that high. Most flatbed scanners top out at a lower resolution than what the manufacturer states. I believe there are a couple threads on that topic.
 
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If I am using scanner software other than the Epson scan software, How do I specify whter I am using film on glass or in holder so the scanner knows where to focus? I am about to start some elevation tests using a fluid mount and am unsure if I have to (or how to) specify anything like this.
 

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1) What is the maximum real dpi for scanning (beyond which there is no improvement in scan quality, just increased file size)?

A full answer would take a textbook. In a nutshell, you need enough real optical resolution from your scanner to recover all the real optical resolution captured on film. Beyond that and all you are doing is making more data, not capturing more visual information.

Unfortunately it's very difficult to tell how much optical information a real piece of film contains. It's hardly ever limited by the ability of the film to record information; it's mostly limited by the skill and workflow of the photographer, and by the optical characteristics of the lens / camera.

Typically, as format size increases the amount of real optical resolution declines. The reason for that is that as format increases, capture aperture for the lens decreases. This is true because of the demands of depth of field, and it tends to push lenses into diffraction limiting.

This is acceptable because as format size goes up, the necessary enlargement to make a given print size goes down.

So... all you have left are generalities. And when faced with generalities, all you can do is test. You'll have to scan the same film over and over at different scanner resolutions, make prints from these different scans, and compare the prints. This will tell you when you reach "enough" resolution for your needs.

Sorry there's not a simple answer to that question.

2) what is its true OD? (specs say 4.0 but I don't know if I believe it).

You are wise not to believe it. But in reality all the scanner has to be able to do is scan your film. If you are scanning B&W film for example, the dynamic range of the scanner is just about meaningless if the scanner is healthy. Color negative is more challenging, but just about any scanner can scan the full density range of most negatives. Tranny film is where the fun comes. And either the scanner can scan your film or it can't -- and your shadows drop all detail and become black.

If you really want to know, scan a step wedge and see. I don't know of any that go beyond a density of 3.6 (the old Kodak density test strip or whatever it was called).

3) Are the Betterscanning sheet and roll film holders necessary if one was to use the included V750 Fluid Mount kit and only scan using fluid, not the film holders?

No idea. Don't have relevant experience.

4) What is the recommended fluid for fluid mounting

Aztek pushes Kami. I find Kami is too volatile for me. You have to work really fast or the Kami will have evaporated. So I like the Prazio Anti-Newton fluid. Much nicer to work with IMHO.

5) is 3mm Mylar ok for fluid mounting, or should it be 1mm?

What you need is a scanner overlay. Special mylar that's flawless and optically clear, and optically colorless. And of course, expensive (goes without saying I guess). The best source of that in NA is probably Aztek. Some of the pre-press supply houses might carry something similar.
 
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