90mm lenses for 4x5 - nikkor, super duper angulons etc...

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Shawn Dougherty

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For what one morning's experience is worth... I took the 90/8 SA MC out for sunrise through about 10am shooting before work today. Completely wrapped in my giant dark cloth I had no trouble fine focusing using David's - move the hotspot around the edges - method in very low light. I could see well enough to compose without moving around.

After the sun popped up brightness was a non issue. Thanks again fellows. Shawn
 
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Hello all,

I'm either going for the Nikkor f4.5 for the coverage or the SA f8 for the price (or the Nikkor f8, but it seems rare and around the same price as the 4.5 anyway).

Quick question - the single coated SA's go for much less on KEH, but people dont seem to factor it so much on eBay, hmmm. Considering its not going to be used so much for portraiture I figure the MC's are probably worth it... Your thoughts ?
 

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I have found with my 90mm, that Lens Shades are pretty much useless (too small) and for at least 6 months of the year the sun is low enough to be in the angle of view

Therefore anything that can help reduce flare has got to be a good thing.

Martin

ps I have never understoof the pricing on eBay :confused:
 

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I ordered my 90 f8 SA from KEH. I did so by phone and asked if the lens was an MC as it was not indicated in the specs. The fellow told me he couldn't say for sure, I'd find out when I got it (and had the option to return it of course). Turned out to be an MC lens. It was listed as Excellent, I'd call it Pristine and cost $275 in a new model copal #0 sans caps. Being from New Zealand though I doubt you want to be shipping it back and forth... I'd give them a call, explain the situation and I'll bet they can help you out - or put you on a waiting list for an MC. I've found KEH to be quite accommodating.
 
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Yup, an 'ex' KEH SA f8 is always an option - seems like there is always one or two there :wink:

I'm bidding on a Nikkor f4.5 at the moment however and in between countries (getting the camera) when the auction closes - but I'll find out soon...

The Nikkor if I win it is on a canham board but I figure I'll just grab one of my Sinar copal 3 boards and tape the canham board to the back of it, heh heh - could use some cut pipe section and make a recessed board that way I guess :wink:
 

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Yup, an 'ex' KEH SA f8 is always an option - seems like there is always one or two there :wink:

I'm bidding on a Nikkor f4.5 at the moment however and in between countries (getting the camera) when the auction closes - but I'll find out soon...

The Nikkor if I win it is on a canham board but I figure I'll just grab one of my Sinar copal 3 boards and tape the canham board to the back of it, heh heh - could use some cut pipe section and make a recessed board that way I guess :wink:

i got mine from keh too ( back in 96 ) ...
 

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I shoot with a Rodenstock Grandagon N 90mm 4.5 on a Arca Swiss and for sure it is a awesome lens. I also use a Schneider 65mm 5.6 Super Angulon on a Galvin View. I have nothing but positive praise for both of these optics. Having said that, I would recommend the Schneider 5.6 on your list before the Nikkor 4.5 mainly because of cost and in my opinion the German optics have a better look, especially the bokeh. The 5.6 is fast enough to make focusing pretty easy, certainly not as bright as a 4.5 but bright enough. Your front element will be smaller than the 4.5 so that will save you money on filters. The f8 will work but they are more frustrating, however they will save you quite a bit of money. You can always add a fresnel screen but it may be cheaper to buy a faster lens in the first place. Whatever you do I would not mix lens types, if you buy Nikkor, stick with Nikkor or Fuji for the rest of your future optics as they are warmer in tone rendition. If you go with Schneider, stick with Schneider or Rodenstock on future optics, they are slightly cooler optics affording more neutral tonality. It is ideal to use the same brand for your entire arsenal. On my Arca system I use all Rodenstock. On my Galvin I use mixed Schneider and Rodenstock. I believe the Caltar II and II N lenses are all made by Rodenstock but Schneider may have made some of those Caltar optics.
 
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We need a Speed/Coverage/Cost/Bokeh/Color Cast/Bragging Rights/Flaring/Weight/Sexiness/Sharpness calculus

You'd think the output of such a calculation would result in different lenses for each person - It has at least when applying it to each manufacturer...

I think there is at least consensus on the following:

90mm is a popular focal length in 4x5

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I have the Schneider 90 5.6 SA in a linhoff shutter. A stinking gorgeous piece of glass and covers 5x7. I wish I had more use for it. I tend to bounce between 120 and 8x10. 4X5 is neither here nor there for me.
Dennis
 

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The 90mm f8 super angulon is a great performer. heres an example from mine.
(and the 1200 dpi flatbed scanner did not do it justice)

The complaints about composing and focusing are valid, though. If you can, spring for the f5.6 or f4.5. Also excellent optics.
 

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Nikkor f4.5 on the way :D
 

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The f8 Super Angulon does not have the coverage you need for movements. All of the current Rodenstock and Schneider 90mm lenses are high level and do cover. f6.8 is OK if you don't need the extra speed. I have had the 5.6 and 6.8 Schneiders and actually prefer the 6.8, both for the performance and the lighter weight. The Rodenstock f4.5 is my current 90mm, and I like it best of all, though if I had to carry it around would rather have the 6.8.
 

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As I showed in a (there was a url link here which no longer exists), the 90/8 SA more than amply covers 5x7. Granted, this was at ~40ft focus and without any major movements (just a bit of tilt and a little bit of rise) but I did not find myself anywhere near the edge of the circle at f/16. Just sayin'.... :wink:
 

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I just got my Nikkor SW 90mm f/8 from UPS today, can't wait to try it out tomorrow. Focusing seems to be easier than I imagined, but I haven't tested it under my usual conditions. I have a Blackjacket focusing cloth and it can shut out damn near all light, so maybe that helps.
 

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yes a premium dark cloth helps immensely. The center is no problem but it gets hard to check the corners. especially if the camera is tilted up or in a tight area.
I usually use a black t-shirt which is sub optimal, and the attached image was literally a pain in the neck.
Zone VI 4x5, Super Angulon 80mm f8 MC (chipped)
 

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For posterity's sake:

It was mentioned early on, and Robert a few posts up mentioned that he purchased the Nikkor SW 90mm f/8. This lens is sort of the best of both worlds in my opinion. It has approximately the same image circle as all of the 90mm f/4.5 - f/5.6 lenses (except the larger and much more expensive Schneider 90mm XL), but is smaller (67mm filters) and lighter due to the f/8 maximum aperture. It is a very nice lens, very sharp.

With this lens, backpackers can have their cake and (almost) eat it too.
 

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As I showed in a (there was a url link here which no longer exists), the 90/8 SA more than amply covers 5x7. Granted, this was at ~40ft focus and without any major movements (just a bit of tilt and a little bit of rise) but I did not find myself anywhere near the edge of the circle at f/16. Just sayin'.... :wink:

I'd have to agree, unless you just want to bend the bellows into a pretzel just 'cuz, for anything but the most extreme of movements the 90 f8 SA suits me just fine.

erie
 
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Nikkor 4.5 arrived today - really nice specimen.

Coming from 8x10 and ULF the size and weight of it really are minimal. The brightness - wooo - like looking at the light shining outta my bottom on the GG :D

Stopping down to f8 is a bit dimmer but not an insurmountable challenge in composition/focus (as has been confirmed by few people here). Still glad I got that extra coverage however, off to buy a bag bellows :rolleyes:
 
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