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(sorry for spawning a number of threads. I'm kind of guilty that as of this post, three of the top four threads were started by me...)

I just bought a Nikkor SW 75mm f4.5. I'm sure this will work fine on my Shen Hao, but i'd like to try using it on the Master Technika as well. Nikon brochures list the FFD of the lens at 81.3mm. I pulled the front standard onto the focusing rail enough so that the the entire length of the bottom of the standard was on rail, but the rear was flush with the rear of the rail. If I mounted it any further back, the standard was a little wobbly. Then I retracted the focusing rail to the rear position. I don't have any super accurate measurement devices, but with a film holder loaded and dark slide out, and a ruler stuck through the opening of the front standard, resting against the back of the film holder, the depth seems to be in the vicinity of 85mm. enough to know that a recessed lens board will be required.

The trick now is to determine how recessed. Looking on eBay, I see Copal 0, Technika type (generic) lens board with 11, 15,17, 19, and 21mm recessed mounts. I'm going to try to get a better measurements, but it seem likely with the bed at the standard 90 degree position, even the smallest 11mm, will give me sufficient depth. The problem is I expect that the bed will be in the shot, and I know that if I drop the bed and tilt the front standard, that moves the lens board further from the film plane.

I haven't measured with the bed dropped to either position yet, but I wanted to ask a simple question--anyone who has done this, can I get the bed out of the frame with a little rise, or do I really need to drop the bed? The manual seems to imply that in landscape, a 72mm lens is ok without dropping the bed, but real world confirmation would be nice. It also says that rotated to portrait, I'd need to drop the bed to its lowest position.

Second, more generally, if anyone has shot a 75mm on a MT, what is your setup? Mine isn't a 2000 or 3000, so I can't really focus on the inner rail (I don't know when that was introduced but it sounds like a neat feature.)
 

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You need the Linhof 001015 recessed board to use the 75mm lens. Go to the Linhof factory site and see its specs and download the manual for how to use it on the Master.
 
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Thanks, I didn’t see any manual for that board, but I do see that it is 12mm recessed. I read the bits in the MT manual as I mentioned above, but I was looking for some first hand experience, preferably with the specific lens in question, given that even the cheapest, no-name recessed lens board is $70+, and I can’t really afford to try several of them to figure out what works. I do read the MT manual (assuming that a “classic” is functionally the same as a 30 year old MT) to say that leaving the bed in standard position is ok, maybe with a little rise, when the back is horizontal. I’ll be honest and say that there is no way I can afford a lens board at that cost, though that board does look like a pretty cool solution to my lack of tiny fingers. It does help to know that it is the recommended board at 12mm though.
 
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BTW, to anyone that might know (I know Bob will only recommend factory boards being a reseller, that fine), are there any US sources for inexpensive Technika recessed lens boards? I’ve checked Badger and Catlabs to no avail. Grimes only shows flat, though I imagine they can customize stuff, for a price. Amazon and eBay list them but the sellers are in China, and with current international shipping issues (I just received some toilet paper from China that my step mother ordered for me at the beginning of March, shipped EMS) I’d love to find a US seller, and would be happy to pay a small premium.
 

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BTW, to anyone that might know (I know Bob will only recommend factory boards being a reseller, that fine), are there any US sources for inexpensive Technika recessed lens boards? I’ve checked Badger and Catlabs to no avail. Grimes only shows flat, though I imagine they can customize stuff, for a price. Amazon and eBay list them but the sellers are in China, and with current international shipping issues (I just received some toilet paper from China that my step mother ordered for me at the beginning of March, shipped EMS) I’d love to find a US seller, and would be happy to pay a small premium.
The instructions for using wide angle lenses are in the manual. They are for lenses down to 72mm. The name for the Master Technika changed to the Master Technika Classic to differentiate it from the Master Technika 2000 and its replacement, the Master Technika 3000. Both of these have no rangefinder and add an extreme wide angle focusing mechanism inside the camera body.
 

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BTW, to anyone that might know (I know Bob will only recommend factory boards being a reseller, that fine), are there any US sources for inexpensive Technika recessed lens boards? I’ve checked Badger and Catlabs to no avail. Grimes only shows flat, though I imagine they can customize stuff, for a price. Amazon and eBay list them but the sellers are in China, and with current international shipping issues (I just received some toilet paper from China that my step mother ordered for me at the beginning of March, shipped EMS) I’d love to find a US seller, and would be happy to pay a small premium.
CatLABS has all the recessed boards you might need.
 

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BTW, to anyone that might know (I know Bob will only recommend factory boards being a reseller, that fine), are there any US sources for inexpensive Technika recessed lens boards? I’ve checked Badger and Catlabs to no avail. Grimes only shows flat, though I imagine they can customize stuff, for a price. Amazon and eBay list them but the sellers are in China, and with current international shipping issues (I just received some toilet paper from China that my step mother ordered for me at the beginning of March, shipped EMS) I’d love to find a US seller, and would be happy to pay a small premium.
No, I would also,recommend Wista’s recessed board. But it will not be as user friendly as Linhof’s. Neither would any other.

Just to be accurate, I was never a reseller. I was the importer and distributor in the USA. A dealer would be a reseller. We didn’t sell to consumers.
 

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I have a 75mm f:4.5 Grandagon-N mounted in a 21mm recessed board set to work with the rail in the -1 retracted position, cammed and shimmed by Martin Arndt so that it can share a set of infinity stops with a 135mm Planar in the neutral rail position, and the 135 has its own cam as well. This is on a 4x5” Tech V.
 

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How do you know when you need a recessed board?

If you can't focus to infinity with a wide lens, then within a certain range, a recessed board is the solution. Linhof also makes recessed boards that might be seen as for convenience, so that a lens will close inside a Technika or so that two lenses can share one set of infinity stops on the rail. Linhof also made a wideangle focusing device for lenses too short for use with a recessed board, and the Master Tech 2000 and 3000 that have built-in wideangle focusing tracks. For very short lenses, another alternative is to use a helical mounted on the board. It can be hard to access the shutter controls in a recessed board, so some of the Linhof boards also have levers and scales so the controls can be operated more easily. Fortunately, I have slim fingers.
 
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