70mm film Value?

LInuxHack3r · Jan 15, 2018

I recently took possession of about 100-150 rolls of Kodak 70mm x 100'. Some of it is BW and some of it color. About 100 of them are unopened and 100% new. They were stored in a climate controlled photo studio but did expire around 2006-2007.

1) Does this film have any value to anyone that currently shoots film? I see some rolls on Ebay around $250, but a lot of that was supposedly stored in a freezer. I do believe that the film I have was always stored in a nice cool climate controlled warehouse, but obviously I cannot guarantee it being in any sort of quality.

2) If it does not hold a value to a photographer, what do people know about recycling this stuff for its silver value? Is there a "best" place to send it? What could I potentially expect to get for this?

C-41 Process Film

ic-racer · Jan 15, 2018

How much did you pay for it?

LInuxHack3r · Jan 15, 2018

ic-racer said:
How much did you pay for it?

Lots and lots of physical labor at a downsizing photography studio in exchange for some old gear.

benveniste · Jan 15, 2018

Realistically, the only way to know if you have anything beyond silver value is to have someone try the film. Unfortunately, there are very few labs which can still process a full roll of 70mm. As a result, I still have Verichrome III, Aviphot 400, and some 70mm Tech Pan sleeping in my freezer.

Each 100' roll of 70mm film has somewhere around 10-16 grams of silver in it. By the time you get done paying for shipping and the processor takes their cut, you will probably do a little better than the cost to ship, but done expect to retire on the proceeds.

gorbas · Jan 15, 2018

There are few of us here on Photrio using 70mm film. Please make us offer we can not refuse?

Cholentpot · Jan 15, 2018

Useless! Send it to me and I'll dispose of it...

Mr Bill · Jan 16, 2018

benveniste said:
Each 100' roll of 70mm film has somewhere around 10-16 grams of silver in it. By the time you get done paying for shipping and the processor takes their cut, you will probably do a little better than the cost to ship, but done expect to retire on the proceeds.

This is probably not too far off, but there is more variation between different types of film than that. But as far as the value of the silver, I wouldn't expect to get too much for it. Long time ago scrap film could be sold to someone who incinerated it to recover the silver, but the payout was not worth much. Today I imagine there are tighter environmental controls on things, meaning that if you can even find someone who does this, you'd expect a lower payout. I'd expect them to lo-ball you on this - there's just not much profit in it. I think, as a wild guess, you'd be lucky to get more than about 1/4 the value of the silver, possibly a lot less.

I think you'd be far better off to sell the film to people who would be trying to use it.

Nokton48 · Jan 16, 2018

He has unperfed rolls of 70mm Portra 400 B&W (C41 process) and unperfed color.
150 rolls is a lot of film! If it was perfed I would buy some of it
That film definitely has value to somebody out there
Quite a find.

trendland · Jan 16, 2018

LInuxHack3r said:
I recently took possession of about 100-150 rolls of Kodak 70mm x 100'. Some of it is BW and some of it color. About 100 of them are unopened and 100% new. They were stored in a climate controlled photo studio but did expire around 2006-2007.

1) Does this film have any value to anyone that currently shoots film? I see some rolls on Ebay around $250, but a lot of that was supposedly stored in a freezer. I do believe that the film I have was always stored in a nice cool climate controlled warehouse, but obviously I cannot guarantee it being in any sort of quality.

2) If it does not hold a value to a photographer, what do people know about recycling this stuff for its silver value? Is there a "best" place to send it? What could I potentially expect to get for this?

C-41 Process Film

If you want to sell anythink you should be first sure about its realistic value.
It seams to be not helpfull if you there ask the guys who would be your potential clients.
Because it may happen that you find answers like I read it here.
I shouldn't perhaps not leave a command
on this but let me just say - the smalest price of expired films is ALLWAYS many
times higher than the price of its silver included.
Now let us see if we could find a reference to 70mm bw pricing - ok?

https://macodirect.de/search?sSearch=70mm+

Wow - so you have to pay around USD 95,- to 100ft Rollei Infrared
The other film from Rollei is just 50feed but they want to have nearly 95 bucks a roll.......

Comming to your bw films again.As you should know - expired bw film is absolute resistent against destruction from long time storage.
Here are examples of 40years old bw film
with results on the film.
In color it may be total different - depending from temperature of storage.
Your bw films from 2007 should be ok - just if they never saw a freezer.
But you mentioned the condition of storage during the time with the photo studio: clima controled .
Let us guess you mean : Room temperature - ok?
So how could be the price of your films now?
Let me state the min. price should be between 10% - 20% of a new film.
With Rollei we saw 95 bucks to 50 - 100
feed.
At last it is real simple to have an idea of your films value - right ?
min. $ 9,50 - $ 18,- a single 100ft roll.
That is in total (you mentioned 100 unopened new rolls [expired] with Kodak bw films) $ 2000,- as an absolut minimum.
IF you have some rare films from Kodak within your bw rolls - a pricing to
$ 3000,- seams to be possible to me.
THE color films are not mentioned then - it hard to say because there should be color shifts possible from bad storage.

Bon Chance

PS : Sorry friends - you may beat me for
this - but one should be ALLWAYS faire.
Special with people who have no idea from value.

Meyer Trioplan · Jan 16, 2018

As a shooter of 116-616 (and one who can develop it as well), I'd certainly love some BW and Color 70mm film to have on stock for spooling!

LInuxHack3r · Jan 16, 2018

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/70mm-x-100-kodak-portra-400bw-film.156835/

I've listed some of the B&W for sale.

LInuxHack3r · Jan 16, 2018

gorbas said:
There are few of us here on Photrio using 70mm film. Please make us offer we can not refuse?

Cholentpot said:
Useless! Send it to me and I'll dispose of it...

Meyer Trioplan said:
As a shooter of 116-616 (and one who can develop it as well), I'd certainly love some BW and Color 70mm film to have on stock for spooling!

https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/70mm-x-100-kodak-portra-400bw-film.156835/

Simple bump quote for those that expressed the slightest interest.

trendland · Jan 16, 2018

LInuxHack3r said:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/70mm-x-100-kodak-portra-400bw-film.156835/

I've listed some of the B&W for sale.

Wow - I just visiting your ebay side.
Well LinuxHack3r I spoke about 10% - 20% from new priced films.
On this basis I meant $9,50 - $18,- in comparison to Rollei pricing with 50ft - 100ft you would realize 10% from it.
You may say 20% is your personal minimum (that would be a good decision) then you may double pricing :
$18,- / $36,- a roll.....
As I mentioned the minimum pricing with such examples - you may say :" 35% is my limit I want to make business now "
Then let me state a pricing of $30 - $ 60 is also realistic.
Should we state a price of $50,- is the middle?

with regards

PS : $ 50,- + your shipping costs in addition is what I like to feel as faire trade. With $125,- per roll it would wash you $ 18.750,- in your cash register ?
Then you will realize a much higher price to your 10 years expired films in comparison to brand new Rollei Special Emulsions

PPS : He learned in a much faster way as I am able to reply. .....

LInuxHack3r · Jan 16, 2018

Price adjusted accordingly.

trendland · Jan 16, 2018

LInuxHack3r said:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/70mm-x-100-kodak-portra-400bw-film.156835/

Simple bump quote for those that expressed the slightest interest.

Aha - well I see your reference is an ebay seller who want to have $250,- to 100ft 70mm film.
Now your idea is - you should have the half of it ?
I have no intention to look at Kodaks pricing to new 70mm color now.
But it may be you come in the near of new color films (100ft as a normal short end is often offered) with $250,-/100ft.
That means you may ask Kodak if they are able to offer you 1000ft 70mm color
for USD 2500,- ? Kodak will make you a special price - believe me - so you will pay a little less ....
Therefore a expired film price from ebay with $250,-/roll is no reference at all.

But it is on you - bon chance

PS : No serious source!

LInuxHack3r · Jan 16, 2018

trendland said:
Aha - well I see your reference is an ebay seller who want to have $250,- to 100ft 70mm film.
Now your idea is - you should have the half of it ?
I have no intention to look at Kodaks pricing to new 70mm color now.
But it may be you come in the near of new color films (100ft as a normal short end is often offered) with $250,-/100ft.
That means you may ask Kodak if they are able to offer you 1000ft 70mm color
for USD 2500,- ? Kodak will make you a special price - believe me - so you will pay a little less ....
Therefore a expired film price from ebay with $250,-/roll is no reference at all.

But it is on you - bon chance

PS : No serious source!

I edited my pricing both here and Ebay. It does look like some of these rolls sell for $200+ on Ebay. Anyways, I dropped my pricing to $99.99 on Ebay and $60 here at PHOTRIO. I think that's pretty fair. Of course I'll discount that some if someone wants multiples.

trendland · Jan 16, 2018

LInuxHack3r said:
I edited my pricing both here and Ebay. It does look like some of these rolls sell for $200+ on Ebay. Anyways, I dropped my pricing to $99.99 on Ebay and $60 here at PHOTRIO. I think that's pretty fair. Of course I'll discount that some if someone wants multiples.

From my oppinium you are able to learn in both directions VERY FAST.
I would agree with you that USD 60,- is a faire pricing to both sides.
And to the next time you should know Ebay is no reference/no serious source.
AND pls. realize : There are not many people able to handle 70mm film.
And I have a feeling from you have the intention to sell ALL your films.

with regards

PS : Bon chance

keenmaster486 · Jan 16, 2018

If I had $60 to spare for something like this at the moment, I might just do it.

trendland · Jan 16, 2018

keenmaster486 said:
If I had $60 to spare for something like this at the moment, I might just do it.

Well - you might give me that money
because I would have a try with one roll.
.....

with regards

gorbas · Jan 16, 2018

LInuxHack3r said:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/70mm-x-100-kodak-portra-400bw-film.156835/

Simple bump quote for those that expressed the slightest interest.

Thank you for the offer LInux!
Sorry, I have to pass on this one. C-41 process and unperforated does not work for me right now. Do you have any rolls of traditional BW film in your stash?
Goran

LInuxHack3r · Jan 16, 2018

mweintraub said:
I've eyed them online to play with, but agreed about the shipping, too much. Would love one though.

gorbas said:
Thank you for the offer LInux!
Sorry, I have to pass on this one. C-41 process and unperforated does not work for me right now. Do you have any rolls of traditional BW film in your stash?
Goran

At this point I don't really know. Up until yesterday, I thought what I had WAS traditional black and white until someone on the phone told me that what I have is BW film that uses C41 color processing techniques for developing. So, I'll just post up what I have and let other people tell me what it is.

keenmaster486 · Jan 16, 2018

I don't understand why they would sell B&W C-41 process film in 70mm format.

It makes sense for the average consumer whose only viable developing option is the local supermarket, but who is using 70mm film other than people who would scoff at such a waste of C-41 developing chemicals?

Nokton48 · Jan 16, 2018

keenmaster486 said:
I don't understand why they would sell B&W C-41 process film in 70mm format.

School photographers and photographers making ID badges would use it.

trendland · Jan 16, 2018

LInuxHack3r said:
At this point I don't really know. Up until yesterday, I thought what I had WAS traditional black and white until someone on the phone told me that what I have is BW film that uses C41 color processing techniques for developing. So, I'll just post up what I have and let other people tell me what it is.

Oh...Oh...oh - bad news !
Sorry to say - it is realy sad - but I made a mistake. I have had only a short look on your mentioned site (ebay).
I only noticed first bw ISO 400 from Kodak. My speculated double x film was not on the scene....but I realy dit not
realized first : IT IS PORTRA C41

.
Then you might know it is a different issue from expiration (10years).
I mentioned it above.
But never mind - color casts are not the
problem because it has his characteristic as bw film.
But this isn't the realy same as it should be normal bw film.
So expiration date and storage is AN ISSUE at last.
The missing perforation might be a no go to Hasselblatt users with 70mm magazine and some others.

But the main issue is - this film you want to sell is a c41 film....

!
Thats very special because it give you NOT a real advantage in darkrooms.
What you now need is a time machine :
Back to the 80th - this was a period manufacturers and labs had an idea of making bw workflow more easy.
But this idea wasn't a real great coup.
So you have a film now - from the demand (also from Apug experts) it should go to zero.....
There is a way from cutting to use it as120/220 film.
But I guess it might be impossible to sell
150 rolls of it.
Bad news - no big business - to any pricing.....

.
But have a look if there are other films from your studio.
With panatomic x in big amounds with such a original box :

Or if you can find such a box :

in highest quantity with original unopened packaging you will nevertheless become rich within hours.

But so - I am even not sure if Portra 400 bw is on the demand list from ebay
(worldwide) - so you have to find a real
freak who is desperately seeking special this emulsion. ........ this is obviously not your day today but this was my expertise.

with regards

LInuxHack3r · Jan 16, 2018

trendland said:
Oh...Oh...oh - bad news !
Sorry to say - it is realy sad - but I made a mistake. I have had only a short look on your mentioned site (ebay).
I only noticed first bw ISO 400 from Kodak. My speculated double x film was not on the scene....but I realy dit not
realized first : IT IS PORTRA C41.
Then you might know it is a different issue from expiration (10years).
I mentioned it above.
But never mind - color casts are not the
problem because it has his characteristic as bw film.
But this isn't the realy same as it should be normal bw film.
So expiration date and storage is AN ISSUE at last.
The missing perforation might be a no go to Hasselblatt users with 70mm magazine and some others.

But the main issue is - this film you want to sell is a c41 film....!
Thats very special because it give you NOT a real advantage in darkrooms.
What you now need is a time machine :
Back to the 80th - this was a period manufacturers and labs had an idea of making bw workflow more easy.
But this idea wasn't a real great coup.
So you have a film now - from the demand (also from Apug experts) it should go to zero.....
There is a way from cutting to use it as120/220 film.
But I guess it might be impossible to sell
150 rolls of it.
Bad news - no big business - to any pricing......
But have a look if there are other films from your studio.
With panatomic x in big amounds with such a original box :
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Or if you can find such a box :View attachment 193630

in highest quantity with original unopened packaging you will nevertheless become rich within hours.

But so - I am even not sure if Portra 400 bw is on the demand list from ebay
(worldwide) - so you have to find a real
freak who is desperately seeking special this emulsion. ........ this is obviously not your day today but this was my expertise.

with regards

I'd love to hear from others whether this film would be usable or not. I've already sold a single roll of it on Ebay this morning for $88.00. I am conflicted, on one hand I very specifically have shown that the film is expired. If someone buys it and it doesn't work, who is at fault? I cannot guarantee it but if someone wants to buy and try it, even knowing that it is expired, that doesn't seem like my fault. I'm sure a buyer on Ebay though would want their money back, wouldn't they?

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