6X6 Projector

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I am in the market for a medium format projector. Specifically a 6 X 6 projector for 120 film slides. They are getting pretty pricey but I did find an older manual unit. The seller is unsure of the slide carrier compatibility. He sent me a photo of the larger slide carrier. I am hoping it is for 6 X 6 and not 127 film. Can anyone help me identify it for sure? Thanks.
 

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I am not even sure what I see... but I am ignorant on most US projectors anway. But a larger image would likely be helpful even for the initiated.

I do not know of any type 127 projector. Over here we head some type 135 projector models that either could also illuminate a 4x4cm frame or could be upgraded respectively.
 
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That picture is way too small to give any evidence of what it may be . Can the owner just measure the size of the slide area ? Peter
 

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As far as 127 slides the ones from my Komaflex S projected very well in an ordinary 35mm or 135 projector. Kinderman, for one, made several projectors that would handle 6x6 slides, the one I have is TOTALLY manual. Each slide is loaded one at a time. I know that there are some really deluxe projectors from Hasselblad and I think Rolleiflex, with deluxe prices to match.
 

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Concerning european 6x6 projectors there were
-) full manual slide-stage ones
-) half-automatic tray ones (manual force needed for transport)
-) full-automatic tray ones
 

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Just curious, what is "pricey" at your end for a 6x6 especially? While what I have recently paid here in EU for a Rolleivision 66AV with Xenotar lens isn't cheap per se, it is far lower then most current prices for same configuration, so there are still deals on high quality projectors. But again, what is a deal for one, it may not be for another. Full manual shifting tray arrangements has advantage of basically just bulb and ventilation going bad, plus lens quality. So in your case, if you're getting for under $100 it might be worth it. But I would advise to check out what the lens is and what bulb is used. If bulb is no longer available, you already have an expanse to deal with. If lens is plain pizza variety? Is it worth any money for so so projection?

So what projector is it and what price are you considering for it? It will help with more targeted answers.
 

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The OP is locatd in the USA, thus likely only projectors available in the USA make sense.
 

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I can't tell whether that is a part of a slide projector or something designed to slice sandwich meat.
But the opening appears to be measured as about 2.25 inches, and there doesn't seem to be any meaningful space at the top for a slide frame/mount.
So I am going to guess that opening is where a standard 35mm/126/127 slide or super slide would go.
Medium format slides are found in mounts that are either 70mm x 70mm (2.75" x 2.75") or 85mm x 85mm (3.35" x 3.35").
 
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Here is a larger photo.
 

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AgX said:
The OP is locatd in the USA, thus likely only projectors available in the USA make sense.
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No problem, Projectors in USA have historically been well under EU prices.
 

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Now I am sure that that is too small and isn't for medium format slides.
 

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Opening appears to be just under 2.5" square, and 6cm is 2.36".

Wouldn't leave much room for a frame at the bottom-- but doing a quick search, it looks like 6x6 mounts don't have a lot of frame to them.

If it's not 6x6, what is it? 4x4cm would only be 1.58" on a side.
 

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Thus is a bizzare thread. Seeking advice on projector purchase ... without showing or telling what it is. If it's meant as a joke I am not amuzed. Perhaps that's all there is for sale, in which case handholding a slide to a candle would do just fine.
 

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We are likely going to mix up image size and mount outer size.

Leaving smaller and larger sizes aside, there are these outer sizes:

5x5cm

7x7cm

8.5x8.5cm
 

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AgX said:
We are likely going to mix up image size and mount outer size.

Leaving smaller and larger sizes aside, there are these outer sizes:

5x5cm

7x7cm

8.5x8.5cm
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But if the hole in the carrier was the size of the outer border, then the whole slide would fall out. That's the point of a slide mount-- to securely hold the negative in place while shining a light through it.

Side note, by not mentioning which size negative which size frame is for, you didn't really clear up much confusion.

wiltw said:
Looks like a deli slicer to me!
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For square lunch meat?
 

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grat said:
But if the hole in the carrier was the size of the outer border, then the whole slide would fall out. That's the point of a slide mount-- to securely hold the negative in place while shining a light through it.
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The "carrier" may actually be a "changer", and only be designed to move a slide into position, not hold it for projection.
Aren't mysteries fun ?
 

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MattKing said:
The "carrier" may actually be a "changer", and only be designed to move a slide into position, not hold it for projection.
Aren't mysteries fun ?
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What else is the internet for, if not idle speculation based on insufficient information?

If the seller were to provide the OP with the model number, chances are, many questions could be answered very quickly.

But then this would be a mostly pointless thread, and where's the fun in that?
 

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A square 127 image is a "superslide". It is practically equal to a squared 35mmm frame. It will cycle through and project from a standard 35mm projector, which is one of the reasons 127 enjoyed some popularity in the 1950s.
 

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Randy Stewart said:
A square 127 image is a "superslide". It is practically equal to a squared 35mmm frame. It will cycle through and project from a standard 35mm projector, which is one of the reasons 127 enjoyed some popularity in the 1950s.
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Not quite. Many type 135 projectors will not illuminate properly a 40x40mm frame.
 

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Super Slide frame is about 35x35, at least I have mounts of this opening, so this would illuminate fine if projector is good enough to illuminate standard 35mm slides.
 

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AgX said:
Not quite. Many type 135 projectors will not illuminate properly a 40x40mm frame.
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I never had an illumination problem with Super Slides in a Kodak Carousel projects. Actually I never heard of a 35mm projector having any problems with Super Slides since all the projectors easily handle portrait or landscape formats.
 

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The image circle of a 25x36mm frame, be it in vertical or harizontal orientation, is smaller than that of a 38x38mm frame.

The iconic model of the round-tray projectors the Corousel S had to be modified to fully illuminate 38x38m, by re-placing one condenser lens-element. In original state is was installed for the smaller formats.

The same for major Leitz models, some models even need a complete different condenser kit, some do not illuminate superslides at all.


In general for german projectors, illuminating superslides was especially hinted at, if such was possible
 

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My Dad used an Airquipt projector when I was little. There was a manual changer that looked something like this. I suspect it's for 2x2 inch standard slides. Need more info.
 
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