6x6 for studio .. but which one?

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It's all there, in the above comment.
Noone will contest the fact that most TLRs are capable of delivering top quality results (some are just crap, but that is not because they are TLRs. There are more bad SLRs than there are bad TLRs.).

But there are limitations. Limitations that you don't have to put up with if you would use an SLR.
So when deciding to go for a TLR, you must be able to convince yourself that there is a good reason why you would deliberately limit yourself, given that there are equally good choices that are more flexible/less limiting.


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Haven't heard a good explanation yet.


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But like any choice, a personal thing in the end. Some people just like the whole 'atmosphere', the 'aura' surrounding TLRs. And i too like the Rollei TLRs, both for the role they have played in the history and evolution of photography, and for the quality machines they are (just for those two thingies, i would like to have them all. )

But as a practical choice...? Why!?


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Matt King and 2F/2F have it rigtht.

Q.G. said:

One quick note on parallax.
A difference in framing is not the only thing it involves. Perspective is different too.

So though you can use a parallax mark in a viewfinder to get the framing right, the only way you can get perspective right too is by putting the viewing lens where the taking lens will be (or vice versa, put the taking lens where the viewing lens was).

Not trivial, since framing too will be different than expected, due to the different perspective.

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What happen to your "One more time, and then i'll shut up about this. Promise!":confused:

Promises are meant to be broken.


I was just providing some factual information.
Not arguing in favour of or against one or the other.

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It’s in your head, not the camera. You have a real hang up or are a paid lobbyist for the SLR industry.

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And you cowardly hide behind hope that silliness will not be answered.

The stupidest thing i have ever heard (and that is saying something, Fortch) is this suggestion that the difference between SLRs and TLRs is not real.

Do you know what the word "manners" mean?
You apparently need to take a course in civilised behaviour.

Deaf and ? dumb

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Neither.

Also not nearly as ill behaved as you show yourself to be.
What's up with you?

Reread the entire thread 3 times then take an asportan and get a
good nights sleep.

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That's what people keep telling you what to do, isn't it?
You should have heeded their advice. But sadly your illiteracy has kept you from finding the right stuff to take...

Anyway, i'll tell you right here and now that you showing yourself to be an ill-behaved idiot does nothing to argue either for or against anything, except the assertion that you might not be an ill-behaved idiot.
So go find those pills already.

Q.G. said:

One quick note on parallax.
A difference in framing is not the only thing it involves. Perspective is different too.

So though you can use a parallax mark in a viewfinder to get the framing right, the only way you can get perspective right too is by putting the viewing lens where the taking lens will be (or vice versa, put the taking lens where the viewing lens was).

Not trivial, since framing too will be different than expected, due to the different perspective.

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Indeed...but not an important issue in my circumstances. I simply frame with the parallax bar as the top of the frame, and quickly tilt the camera downward to see what will be in the bottom of the frame, then back up. I do not frame the shot how I want it, and then attempt to move the viewing lens to where the taking lens was. In the situations I mentioned (hand held shooting), it works fine, and the parallax bar is never that far down anyhow. Mind you, this situation comes up rarely. If I am doing anything that requires the utmost precision, and a lot of parallax adjustment, I am on a tripod with the Paramender anyhow.

If any of the features of my C series cameras are ever a problem for a certain shoot, I do not use that system to shoot that shoot. Simple. That is why I got the RZ...to do things the C cannot. I would not give either of them up, though due to its raw versatility, I would choose the SLR first if I was shopping and could only choose one for the time being...though it would not be a Hassy, unless I was loaded.

Hassies are superior in several ways, and should be looked at by the OP...as should Bronicas, Mamiya Cs, etc. I simply do not feel that any of the disadvantages of a TLR are really a noteworthy issue in most studio situations...or that there is really much major difference in operation between the two, or between any reflex camera and the next one.

The only ways I ever feel handicapped by a TLR are when 1. I want/need to use exchangeable magazines, or 2. I want a lower profile ("shorter") camera, for handling reasons, or 3. I am using my C-220, and have to cock the shutter manually each time I shoot (not an issue with the C-33, so the C-220 is just a backup), or 4. I need to change aperture quickly and often, and I am using an older silver-shuttered lens, with the annoying tiny pointed aperture selector (not a problem on black-shuttered lenses).

EVERY ONE of these situations does not come up in the studio for me, with people or anything else. Studios are great equalizers for cameras, IMO. Everything is controlled and time is not nearly as much of the essence as it is outside of the studio.

I guess I got it all ... you all expressed your opinions in a very clear way, sometimes clearer than necessary [do not take that SLR versus TLR discussion too seriously please]

I have to admit that the price of the Mamyia TLRs are really very reasonable - especially when compared to Hasselblad. As I have experience with a TLR this would be a more natural choice - on the other hand an SLR with a prism finder turns into "regular" SLR. On the other hand - a decent CLA costs quite some money here in Germany, so one needs to take that into account too.

Actually, what concerns the TLRs - I would love to see some close head/torso shots made with an TLR. Noting the lens focal length would be very helpful.

If you want to see some tight headshots, you might have a look here : Dead Link Removed
All Rolleiflex TLR + Rolleinar (well ... if I got it right).