4x5 Rear fall?

Darryl Roberts · Dec 12, 2023

Hi,

What 4x5 camera had/has the most rear fall on its standard?

Thank you

mrosenlof · Dec 13, 2023

most don't, look at front rise, equivalent.

_T_ · Dec 13, 2023

The cambo sc has a maximum rear fall of 12cm. I don’t know if that’s the most but it’s a lot.

MTGseattle · Dec 13, 2023

I was going to vote for the Cambo SC (and potentially anything built the same way) just from a design aspect. I was curious about the Horseman 450 as well, but had trouble tracking down factory specs.
Interestingly, the Toyo VX125 has none.

Doremus Scudder · Dec 13, 2023

Wondering out loud here why you specifically need rear fall instead of front rise. Only in extreme close-up photography is there really a significant difference when it comes to image management.

Doremus

Darryl Roberts · Dec 13, 2023

Doremus Scudder said:
Wondering out loud here why you specifically need rear fall instead of front rise. Only in extreme close-up photography is there really a significant difference when it comes to image management.

Doremus

I shot a skyscraper, and plan to shoot more. I have more than enough image circle coverage, any additional, perspective rise is helpful and I would use the rear standard's fall first.

I'm influenced by https://www.powerofprocesstips.com/

Dan Fromm · Dec 13, 2023

Darryl Roberts said:
I shot a skyscraper, and plan to shoot more. I have more than enough image circle coverage, any additional, perspective rise is helpful and I would use the rear standard's fall first.

I'm influenced by https://www.powerofprocesstips.com/

Yeah, yeah, yeah but front rise and rear fall are equivalent. Why use one or the other first? And why not use both if either isn't enough?

xkaes · Dec 13, 2023

For even more rise, if your camera standards have "run out", but your lens still has IC, is to tilt the camera upward, and tilting the front and rear standards forward to be parallel. Not as convenient as extra rise in the standards, but it works.

Darryl Roberts · Dec 13, 2023

xkaes said:
For even more rise, if your camera standards have "run out", but your lens still has IC, is to tilt the camera upward, and tilting the front and rear standards forward to be parallel. Not as convenient as extra rise in the standards, but it works.

Yes, that's called indirect rise.

DREW WILEY · Dec 13, 2023

Some monorails have plenty. It's really just relative to how equally tall the risers are on both front and back. Even on my Sinar F2 field 4X5, there was way more than I ever needed, so I actually trimmed down the length of the riser rods for sake of a more compact kit.

Pretty much a non-issue. Even with flatbed cameras, you can simply tilt the bed of the camera itself upward or downward, then reset the front and back to vertical, and end up with all the rise or fall you want, just like the previous two posts also noted.

Alan Edward Klein · Dec 14, 2023

DREW WILEY said:
Some monorails have plenty. It's really just relative to how equally tall the risers are on both front and back. Even on my Sinar F2 field 4X5, there was way more than I ever needed, so I actually trimmed down the length of the riser rods for sake of a more compact kit.

Pretty much a non-issue. Even with flatbed cameras, you can simply tilt the bed of the camera itself upward or downward, then reset the front and back to vertical, and end up with all the rise or fall you want, just like the previous two posts also noted.

What if the picture required a little tilt?

DREW WILEY · Dec 14, 2023

Most monorail view camera have a full suite of movement options - rise, fall, shift, tilt, swing, on both front and back standards. They've very convenient for compound controls, much more so than folding field cameras. I happen to use both styles. Folders tend to be more compact, and are often lighter weight too.

xkaes · Dec 14, 2023

Alan Edward Klein said:
What if the picture required a little tilt?

Perfectly legal -- even with the least expensive field cameras.

wiltw · Dec 14, 2023

Alan Edward Klein said:
What if the picture required a little tilt?

My Horseman LS accomodates

as much as 30mm of Fall on either standard....so combined with front Rise, the total Rise/Fall offset between front and rear standards is 60mm
in addition, the base can be tilted and the standards remain perfectly vertical using up to 40 degrees of base tilt, plus unlimited amount of center-axis tilt on the standards, so even with 40 degrees of base standard tilt and vertical standards, lens or film tilts can still be accommodated...I doubt most lenses have a large enough image circle (unless you have 8x10 coverage lens!)

DREW WILEY · Dec 14, 2023

My mother always tilted her little Box Brownie every time she took a picture. She'd look up, say smile, and kinda twist the camera when she pushed the button. Nearly every snapshot was a little crooked.

Andrew O'Neill · Dec 14, 2023

My Cambo has it. My Canham field camera doesn't. But there are work arounds...

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