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I have a problem with:
- Bronica SQ-B
- Bronica S 40/4
The lens is attached to the camera and I can't:
- remove the lens
- operate the film advance (cock shutter)
I removed the film back and viewfinder, tried removing the lens and operating the advance without them attached, also nothing. The camera with the attached lens is "bricked".

Any suggestions?
 

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Was the lens attached before the shutter was cocked?
 
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I have to ask, are you turning the lens in the correct direction, and are you depressing the correct release for the lens? Have you read the manual?
http://www.cameramanuals.org/bronica/bronica_sq-b.pdf

A valid question. Yes, I did. The problem seems to be point 14 in the manual: "the lens cannont be attached or detached unless the shutter is cocked". I just cant operate the winding crank.... It's "stuck".
 

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Did you try the multiple exposure procedure shown on page 25 in the manual? You might be able to cock the shutter this way.
 

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Haha is this one sold by natcamoutlet on eBay? I had it watched and was planning to drop a bid at the last second but I forgot and I was just looking through my watched list to see what it sold for and I couldn't find it! How much did it end up costing you? I second Michael's suggestion and if that doesn't work I'd suggest some minor disassembly of the body.
 

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A valid question. Yes, I did. The problem seems to be point 14 in the manual: "the lens cannont be attached or detached unless the shutter is cocked". I just cant operate the winding crank.... It's "stuck".
Put the back on. Open the film back and take out the insert, then put this back in. This will allow the back to reset set to S. Then put the multiple exposure guide to multiple exposure, pull the dark slide and try cranking. Don't force anything. Could be the lens. Check battery, even though the B isn't electronic the shutters in the lenses are.
 

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The Bronica uses a mechanical linkage to open the shutter, and uses the electronic timing circult to close the shutter.
The pins in the body move to cause the lens shutter to open, and then to cock the lens shutter.

The design of the Bronica mount supposedly should prevent you from mounting any lens unless both
  1. the shutter is cocked on the camera, and
  2. the mechanical levers of the lens are in their proper (cocked) position.
The lens release button also does not depress unless the camera is cocked and the reflex mirror is down (forming a light shield to the film!). In theory, it should be impossible to unmount a lens unless the body is cocked (which also cocks the lens).

There are TWO mechanical pins (levers) on the Bronica body, one (looking at the body from the front) at 9:30 and the second at 3:30.
The lens has a pair of pins which (after you mount the lens on the body and rotate the lens counterclockwise until locked) are positioned at 9:35 and 3:35.
When you fire the shutter the body pin at 9:30 moves to 8:30 and the second pin moves from 2:30 to 3:30, and the lens' first pin moves from 9:35 to 8:35, and the second lens pin moves from 2:35 to 3:35. You CANNOT press the lens release unless the body (and lens) is cocked!

If you dry-fired the body without lens attached, its pins are at 8:30 and 3:30, and if you attempt to mount a cocked lens on the body, the design prevents the lens from being rotated at all on the mount...and therefore the lens CANNOT be locked onto an uncocked body!

To try to unmount the lens, I would first make sure that...
  1. the multi-exposure lever is in multi-exposure position (particularly if you do not have film loaded so it actuates the interlock in the film back which presses the corresponding pin in the body so that it knows the film has been advanced), and
  2. then wind the shutter fully (this may entail TWO winds of the Speedgrip to fully cock the body and lens), and
  3. then try to press the lens release button and rotate the lens CLOCKWISE to unmount it.
 
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