35mm f/4.5 APO-Grandagon on bigger than 6x6?

Dan Fromm

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Dante, you don't need to be told what to do. I've occasionally had spells of focusing and general blurriness problems, have responded by testing carefully with everything locked down tight and varying possible causes one at a time. The diagnosis has always been the same. Operator error, not equipment problems. That said, if you can't solve it yourself the likely thing to do is to have the lens checked properly.

Rodenstock says explicitly somewhere or other that their CFs contain two pieces of glass of the same RI and dispersion, one with a neutral colorant. The dark piece's curvature is calculated to give the necessary density where needed, the clear piece fits the dark one. The VM says that R'stock first made center filters this way before WW I.

I've seen center filters for Metrogons that were a pattern of metallic dots on a piece of flat glass, denser towards the center than at the edges. So that approach is known and works well enough. I've always thought that Schneider's CFs were made like R'stock's.
 

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I shot some 6x12 tests today at f/8 and 11 at 3m, 5m, and ∞ at an infinite subject...
The standard for image circle specs is with the camera focused at infinity.

The lens moves away from the film as the subject gets closer, so at close focus the IC diameter will increase.

- Leigh
 
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Leigh - obviously. But shooting at ∞ is not of very much interest except as a control for lens collimation. With wide lenses, there are few pictures with usable compositions where you can simply crank a lens to infinity. This lens is failing when focused in the 3-5m range, hyperfocal distances for f/8 and smaller, and the test is designed to see if infinity and wider apertures behave any differently.
 

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Dante,

Specifications have nothing to do with how a lens is used in the field.

They define the way a lens is tested, which is all that matters.

For example...
How often have you located the physical position of a lens' front nodal point?
My guess would be between zero and none.
It's something we seldom use (except for multiple-exposure panoramas).
But it's a critical point in the design of every lens.

- Leigh
 

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Dante, pardon my ignorance of the SW 612 and laziness in not looking for documentation.

Is it possible to focus the camera through the lens? I ask because I took another look at the scan you posted. Allowing for the problems of looking at scans on a monitor, I can't see anything in the image that's as sharp as it should be. There's fuzz everywhere. Makes me wonder about whether the focusing helical is correct.
 
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Dan, there is a groundglass that fits this, but it's more designed for composition with the shift version of this camera than critical focusing, especially at the edges. The straight SW612 is just a straight handheld, zone-focused camera.

The good news is that I think I have narrowed down the cause to one thing that should have been pretty blatantly obvious — had I been looking for it: the shutter is a little loose where it connects to the helicoid. This probably explains the side-to-side fuzziness and the variability between filters. I'm going to send it in to be checked out.

We'll see what all of this is about!
 
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The verdict was bad alignment in shutter (bent); no problem with the coverage. Now off to find a similar Copal 0 and good to go!
 

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It's hard to tell from the low-res photo, but the right edge looks better than the left - maybe there is an alignment issue that is exacerbating things?

[edit] - guess I should read the whole thread before replying... 8(
 
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New shutter has worked out well; everything is sharp (and illumination good) at f/11 up to a 6x8 area, and beyond, the aberrations look fairly normal. Need to try this at f/22 - which seems to be everyone's shooting aperture with this lens and 6x12, at least per Flickr, assuming it ever gets sunny enough. I am a little surprised that there is so little out on the net about how to use this lens.

 
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