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Theo Sulphate · Aug 1, 2015

AgX said:
This principle is employed by amateurs too:
sliding one camera on a rod, or even displacing the camera with its tripod. But both means bear the risk of annoying movement of subjects inbetween.

Yes, I did that as a kid with my Baby Brownie 127 camera. I would take a photo, then move over about two or three inches and take a second one. I could put the prints side-by-side, then stare at them cross-eyed until the images merged into a 3D image. That technique worked pretty well.

wogster · Aug 3, 2015

EdSawyer said:
Remember there is no integral orange mask on this film, so it would be more challenging to print in a darkroom as a result.

With most printing being done via scanning these days, would that be a problem?

MattKing · Aug 3, 2015

wogster said:
With most printing being done via scanning these days, would that be a problem?

I would hazard a guess that people still shooting 8x10 colour are statistically more likely to print optically than people shooting smaller sizes.

EdSawyer · Aug 3, 2015

You could likely get around the mask problem by just sandwiching in a mask of unexposed and processed film above the aerial film, when optically printing. (basically just putting a sheet of orange masking material in place in the enlarger).

Photo Engineer · Aug 3, 2015

That works perfectly. Now all you need is a huge piece of developed but unexposed C41 film!

PE

DREW WILEY · Aug 5, 2015

I keep such sheets around. My own use is for making correct interpositives from color negs. I use a blank sheet of the same type of neg film (they differ somewhat in exactly what that orange mask consists of) so the pan film is corrected relative to that, then supplement this with a slight yellow-green filter to adjust for the minor green desensitization of the specific pan film involved. Of course, the light source (colorhead) can also be fine-tuned somewhat for color temp. These interpositives can then be used to generate unsharp pan contrast-increase masks or whatever. It seems to be a more precise system than just trying to do it all with the colorhead, at least according to the end result,via printing or densitometer readings. Probably old hat to Kodak veterans, but nowadays probably not many go to the trouble.

Photo Engineer · Aug 5, 2015

BTDT Drew. The variations in color of the mask serve two purposes.

1. Correct imperfections in color dyes formed, but since products tweak the dye couplers, the dmin must be changed to "keep in tune".

2. Rebalance the speed of the film when printed due to 1 above. The emulsions are also tweaked.

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frobozz · Aug 6, 2015

Mainecoonmaniac said:
I think some one needs to invent an LF camera with a roll back.

Well, there have been threads from people that have adapted aerial cameras to terrestrial use - which has its own set of problems - but then you effectively have a LF camera with a roll film back!

Duncan

Photo Engineer · Aug 6, 2015

There are roll film backs for LF cameras. There was a 5" roll film and a back for cameras that shot this film. I believe that Hulcher made them.

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Mainecoonmaniac · Aug 6, 2015

That's interesting

Photo Engineer said:
There are roll film backs for LF cameras. There was a 5" roll film and a back for cameras that shot this film. I believe that Hulcher made them.

PE

My cousin used to work for a TV commercial food shooter in Chicago. The studio hired a speed filming company that used high speed camera by Hulcher made for the military for a slow-mo food ad. The beast eats a lot of film just to get it up to speed.

So is the 5" Hulcher film back made for the military also?

Photo Engineer · Aug 6, 2015

I know that the 5" back takes Aerial Ektachrome. I'm not sure what camera makers were involved.

We used high speed 70 mm Hulchers at the Cape.

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Mainecoonmaniac · Aug 6, 2015

You operated one of those beast?

Photo Engineer said:
I know that the 5" back takes Aerial Ektachrome. I'm not sure what camera makers were involved.

We used high speed 70 mm Hulchers at the Cape.

PE

From what I hear, they're tough to operate. Dangerous at times and prone to film breakage not to mention the film usage.

DREW WILEY · Aug 7, 2015

Big planes were designed to take bombs too, which aren't exactly safe either! Handheld aerial photography is a different subject. Some people used 4x5 aerial Technikas on gyro stabilizers, others loved P67's. But other than drooling on the window of a commercial jetliner at times, that's a pastime I'll probably never be able to afford. I'll be photographing some Nevada mountains on foot soon; but that is one state
that can be absolutely spectacular from the air, in a way people on the ground wouldn't imagine.

Photo Engineer · Aug 7, 2015

As a member Drew, I guess you have not seen my gallery photos.

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DREW WILEY · Aug 7, 2015

Wow! Thanks for pointing those out. I'll have to spend some more time there. My brother had a pilot's license, along with a Technika and
expensive stabilizer, but had altitude limitations due to a heart condition, and always had to fly with another licensed pilot due to that. And here once a year the Blue Angels do a show over the Bay. There's a hill behind my house where I can see their complete circuit of maneuvers, and it's fascinating to watch the official photographer's jet take off, fly past the formation at even faster speed, and bag those shots. Allegedly, he still uses a Speed Graphic with a wire sight. I have a bad enough time not spilling a cup of coffee, and just can't imagine these kinds of reflexes or sense of timing. How did you guys ever do it?

Photo Engineer · Aug 7, 2015

Thanks Drew. I used both a 35mm Nikon F and a Speed Graphic. It was labor intensive!

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Theo Sulphate · Aug 7, 2015

I'm impressed a Speed Graphic would be (and still is) used! Next month I'm photographing an event with mine. How many sheets of film do you think would typically be used? That's my dilemma. I suppose the photography jet wouldn't have room for a pack mule.

Photo Engineer · Aug 7, 2015

I used Kodak sheet film holders in my flight suit. One to each pocket and one in the camera for 5 total.

Each had 10 or 12 (I forget), sheets.

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