Just posted today. Good watch.
Thanks for sharing this. I have been thinking all day about this these issues prior to seeing this. On another analog website they have a long list of information a person requesting feedback should provide, including their equipment, preferred subject matter, film format, developing method, and other things like what they want to achieve with the image and samples of their work. They said if someone cannot provide this, the chances that will get useful feedback rapidly go down near zero. That is exactly my observation. I have on, this and other sites, seen where someones will ask a general question, like, "what is the best 400 BW film" or "what is the best developer for HP-5?" What is best normal lens for Nikon? The responses usually go along the the lines of "this is what works for me to achieve the look I want". But whether that fits context of the OP is another thing. I have seen repeated threads where twenty plus comments in, the OP discloses something, i.e. "By the way, I only ever use Minox cameras" , "I live in Mongolia", that completely changes the complexion of things and may make the majority of the suggestions irrelevant. In analog, where someone lives can impact what materials are available., But is often not disclosed by OP.
But the most important thing, as the person in video says, it "what do they want the end result to be like?" To me this means how to do they want the viewer to feel, to react when the image? If OP doesn't know this, the top priority is to help them gain this. Usually even a beginner can see some of their shots they think are better. Usually if they look at examples of great photography they can see stuff they like better. I can't fathom how to give advice without a clue of how they want viewers to emotionally respond to their image. But often this is overlooked, and conversation drifts off into a morass of technical info. disconnected from aesthetics. On the one hand, you don't want to be too anal about demanding all this information to ask a question which may discourage someone from asking a question. But, on the other hand, how is it receiving a boatload of irrelevant advice is encouraging? There is the concern the presenter in video mentioned about danger the information giver is mainly interested in grandstanding their expertise. There is also question of whether you are asking the right people. For example, if one likes to do pinhole photography, but there isn't a shred of evidence that anyone at the web site is sympathetic to pinhole, it raises question if it is right place to ask for feedback. It not to say one couldn't get good feedback, but odds go down and is not worth lingering on the site that proves antithetical to one's artistic intent.
Thanks for sharing this. I have been thinking all day about this these issues prior to seeing this. On another analog website they have a long list of information a person requesting feedback should provide, including their equipment, preferred subject matter, film format, developing method, and other things like what they want to achieve with the image and samples of their work. They said if someone cannot provide this, the chances that will get useful feedback rapidly go down near zero. That is exactly my observation. I have on, this and other sites, seen where someones will ask a general question, like, "what is the best 400 BW film" or "what is the best developer for HP-5?" What is best normal lens for Nikon? The responses usually go along the the lines of "this is what works for me to achieve the look I want". But whether that fits context of the OP is another thing. I have seen repeated threads where twenty plus comments in, the OP discloses something, i.e. "I only ever use Minox cameras" , "I live in Mongolia" "I only ever do portraits", that completely changes the complexion of things and may make the majority of the suggestions irrelevant. In analog, where someone lives can impact what materials are available., But is often not disclosed by OP.
But the most important thing, as the person in video says, it "what do they want the end result to be like?" To me this means how to do they want the viewer to feel, to react when the image? If OP doesn't know this, the top priority is to help them gain this. Usually even a beginner can see some of their shots they think are better. Usually if they look at examples of great photography they can see stuff they like better. I can't fathom how to give advice without a clue of how they want viewers to emotionally respond to their image. But often this is overlooked, and conversation drifts off into a morass of technical info. disconnected from aesthetics. On the one hand, you don't want to be too anal about demanding all this information to ask a question which may discourage someone from asking a question. But, on the other hand, how is receiving a boatload of irrelevant advice encouraging? There is the concern the presenter in video mentioned about danger the information giver is mainly interested in grandstanding their expertise. There is also the question of whether you are asking the right people. For example, if one likes to do pinhole photography, but there isn't a shred of evidence that anyone at the web site is sympathetic to pinhole, it raises question if it is right place to ask for feedback. It not to say one couldn't get good feedback, but odds go down and is not worth lingering on the site that proves antithetical to one's artistic intent.
Try going to art school. Fellow students and teacher, once on a roll, can rip you a new one. Of course, like any group activity there can be a follow-the-trend phenomenon that happens and everyone picks at a certain issue, with may or may not be germane.
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But the most important thing, as the person in video says, it "what do they want the end result to be like?" To me this means how to do they want the viewer to feel, to react when the image? If OP doesn't know this, the top priority is to help them gain this. Usually even a beginner can see some of their shots they think are better. Usually if they look at examples of great photography they can see stuff they like better. I can't fathom how to give advice without a clue of how they want viewers to emotionally respond to their image.
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Thats why I only heed those who's work I can see and can then make a judgement if they actually know what they are talking about. Other wise its just a grain of salt.....like my advise.Some asking for constructive critical comments do not know what questions to ask, hence the video. But part of the problem is asking on internet and getting responses from people who are not qualified to provide useful responses. This can result in being sent in wrong directions.
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