220 filum

Jarvman · Dec 11, 2007

So I'm new to this meduim format lark and thought 220 was just harder to get hold of than 120 but still availiable. Now when looking I've realised it's pretty much extinct. I want to get into 6x9 and 8 shots a film seems pretty limiting. Does anybody make a decent ISO 400 220 rollfilm? This is a bit disappointing.:confused:

David A. Goldfarb · Dec 11, 2007

I'm not sure what's easy to get in the UK, but there are a number of Kodak and Fuji 220 films available from B&H. If you don't already have a 6x9 camera with a 220 back, be aware that not every 6x9 camera or back can shoot 220.

Nick Zentena · Dec 11, 2007

If you're not shooting action 8 shots a roll isn't too bad. Try getting a 6x17 for bad -)

Aren't the wedding films in colour still available? It's B&W that's slim.

Jarvman · Dec 11, 2007

I want to get the fuji rangefinders which must have a revolving pressure plate i'm assuming. Interested mainly in B+W street shooting so 8 seems very few.

GeoffHill · Dec 11, 2007

silverprint sell trix in 220 rolls

Jarvman · Dec 11, 2007

Ah ok! That was a long search. Cheers. I thought I read somewhere the Tri-X was rated ISO 330 and not the same as the 35mm film though. Is that wrong? Looks on silverprint to be the same. I used to Ilford but will have to try it out.

David A. Goldfarb · Dec 11, 2007

TX is Tri-X 400. TXP is Tri-X 320. The main difference between these two films is that TXP has a longer toe, so if you don't give it enough exposure, you'll lose the shadows (but if you get it right, you'll have a strong sense of line). TX is more forgiving.

David Henderson · Dec 11, 2007

Tri X 400 is not made in 220 and Silverprint and others in the UK seem not to recognise that they are selling a somewhat different (ISO 320) film.

I buy and use 220 slide film pretty extensively- and its stocked by most of the decent mail-order/internet operators such as Speedgraphic, Discount Films Direct and Mailshots. Which is not to say that its always in stock. for batch production strategies mean that stockouts are inevitable. If you want to use 220 the route is to buy in reasonable bulk when in stock and avoid scrabbling around in the days before a trip. You won't find it at all easy to buy 220 in retailers, and if you find any at all it will be the odd roll and expensive- and watch the dates.

dslater · Dec 11, 2007

David A. Goldfarb said:
T (but if you get it right, you'll have a strong sense of line).

Hi David,
What do you mean by this?

Dan

David A. Goldfarb · Dec 12, 2007

Some films like HP5+ are distinctive for their smooth gradation--most of the action happening in the middle range of tones, and some films like Tri-X are more interesting to me at the ends of the tonal range--strong blacks and subtle highlights--and to me this conveys a stronger sense of the shape of objects in the frame, like the sense of line in a drawing. That's what I like about Tri-X and FP4+ and Efke 100.

k_jupiter · Dec 12, 2007

David A. Goldfarb said:
Some films like HP5+ are distinctive for their smooth gradation--most of the action happening in the middle range of tones, and some films like Tri-X are more interesting to me at the ends of the tonal range--strong blacks and subtle highlights--and to me this conveys a stronger sense of the shape of objects in the frame, like the sense of line in a drawing. That's what I like about Tri-X and FP4+ and Efke 100.

I never thought about it those terms, but that's exactly how PanF stand processed in Rodinal 1+200 is. I have described it as a graphic arts look, but your line def is a lot closer to what I see. Lots of definition at the highlights, lots of definition in the shadows, sort of missing midtones. I mean they are there, just not defined like APX100 in Rodinal or WD2D+.

tim in san jose

Ole · Dec 12, 2007

... But processed with normal agitation in Ilfosol S, Ilfotec HD, or indeed most other developers, FP4+ and PanF show a magnificently long and smoooooth tonal range.

I consider that to be a fault of Rodinal...

Woolliscroft · Dec 15, 2007

There are still quite a few 220 films around, like Tri-X, all of the Kodak Portras, various Fuji pro col neg films and at least some tranny films, including Velvia. Sadly, though, Ilford no longer make the format, which means that I have had to abandon dear old Delta 400 for my air photographic work. As others have said, 220 films are difficult to get retail, although my local Calumet have some, but easy enough on line.

David

Bandicoot · Dec 15, 2007

Jarvman said:
I want to get the fuji rangefinders which must have a revolving pressure plate i'm assuming. Interested mainly in B+W street shooting so 8 seems very few.

I use both 120 and 220 in Fuji RFs and the switch between the two is very easy - you'll have no problems.

The 220 I use is usually a colour negative film, mostly Portra 160NC, which I use for travel and gardens. The 120 is most often Velvia or Provia. TXP is my favourite of the B&W films that is still available in 220.

Peter

Jarvman · Dec 17, 2007

I just bought a mint 65mm GSW690 III for £595 from eBay. I'm going to cry with joy. Bye bye mamiya 7ii

Woolliscroft · Dec 21, 2007

Bandicoot said:
I use both 120 and 220 in Fuji RFs and the switch between the two is very easy - you'll have no problems.

TXP is my favourite of the B&W films that is still available in 220.

Peter

It would have to be really, given it's the only B&W film still available in 220

David.

Bandicoot · Dec 21, 2007

Woolliscroft said:
It would have to be really, given it's the only B&W film still available in 220

Good grief, that's depressing. There were still three or four last time I looked. At least the one that's still made is the one I like.

Peter

Rolleijoe · Dec 24, 2007

Jarvman said:
I want to get the fuji rangefinders which must have a revolving pressure plate i'm assuming. Interested mainly in B+W street shooting so 8 seems very few.

8 shots of 6x9 are fine with me. If you're used to rattling away with 36exp (or even worse 500exp with digicrap), you may think of it as very few, but in the end, will help you see more critically, and actually think before firing the shutter.

12 on a roll of 120 for me is still sometimes hard to finish!

Rolleijoe

JBrunner · Dec 24, 2007

Nick Zentena said:
If you're not shooting action 8 shots a roll isn't too bad. Try getting a 6x17 for bad -)

Aren't the wedding films in colour still available? It's B&W that's slim.

6x17 not bad. 6x17 good. make slow down. make brain think. keep brain wet.

Jarvman · Dec 24, 2007

Rolleijoe said:
8 shots of 6x9 are fine with me. If you're used to rattling away with 36exp (or even worse 500exp with digicrap), you may think of it as very few, but in the end, will help you see more critically, and actually think before firing the shutter.

12 on a roll of 120 for me is still sometimes hard to finish!

Rolleijoe

I never rattle away which is why I can't get comfortable with my 5D *hiss* yet it still serves me well at gigs of which I haven't photographed enough yet. It takes me a long time to finish up a film of 35mm even, Still 8 seems few when you happen upon that moment and want to fire off a couple to get what you're after. Seems more difficult with the double wind on too. I'm sure I'll get used to it but I want to get the quality out of the larger negs without having to develop so few exposures at a time. Understandable if you're shooting landscapes but not documentary. I suppose it's not exactly the camera suited for it, but 16 exposures seems perfect for me rather than 8.

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