$22,000 Leica??

[ChristopherCoy]

Is this for real?

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/85047861_leica-iiig-black-paint-swedish-military

 

[AgX]

The most expensive Leica is 100-times that price.

 

[Arthurwg]

Living proof that income taxes are way too low.

 

[pentaxuser]

Yes it's true. You need to appreciate the unique "Leica glow" to understand the price

pentaxuser

 

[ChristopherCoy]

Yes it's true. You need to appreciate the unique "Leica glow" to understand the price

pentaxuser

$22,000 is a nice down payment on an island beach house in the Caribbean where I can obtain my own glow.

 

[NB23]

Living proof that income taxes are way too low.

You mean that a person shouldn’t find joy in personal purchases and must be punished by having his earned money be taken away from him in order to disappear in a system that will likely never give back to the community?

Sounds more like jealousy, imo.

 

[AgX]

I once saw a Leica in that price-range in the shop window of a rather common camera store, not even one of the few collectors temples.

 

[guangong]

There is no way to explain the logic of the collector. Coins, stamps, automobiles, steam tractors, etc. The upside is that collectors preserve much that would be lost. My discovery of just how large a fortune I casually threw away in beers cans instead of holding them. But then, where would I have room for my cameras?

 

[GarageBoy]

Yeah - welcome to the world of collector leicas

250 reporters, compur shutter leica I's, M3 olives, original MPs, M4 US Navy, M4 KE7A, and so much more - have been historically very collectible - hell, check out the price of truely mint/new in box M3s

 

[ChristopherCoy]

I've collected things, and I've overpaid for collection things in the past - but I've never overpaid so obnoxiously (by my standards.) $22,000 is absurd for a camera of today, 'blad, Leica, or any others, much less a camera that is THAT old, unless it’s the only one left and being bought for the smithsonian.

 

[NB23]

I've collected things, and I've overpaid for collection things in the past - but I've never overpaid so obnoxiously (by my standards.) $22,000 is absurd for a camera of today, 'blad, Leica, or any others, much less a camera that is THAT old, unless it’s the only one left and being bought for the smithsonian.

Geez, 22k is peanuts in the world of leica collecting. You just don’t understand that market. And it’s fine, really...

I still remember the moment when I missed a mint noctilux f1.2 for 15k, just a few years ago. It was a bargain back then. Just as my Leica uneducated friends didn’t understand when I paid 10k for a 35 summilux AA... they were so smart in their judgement.

 

[awty]

Be worth twice as much in 10 years.
Caribbean real estate is expensive to maintain and may be an uncertain future investment.
Just need to put the camera in a glass case and fire it off occasionally.

 

[Pieter12]

The market--in this case collectors--will determine the price. Whether that is the value is another question.

 

[ChristopherCoy]

The market--in this case collectors--will determine the price. Whether that is the value is another question.

someones already bid on it!

 

[fiddle]

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/85047817_leica-0-series-prototype

Thats cheap..

 

[mshchem]

I think it's cool. My wife was a museum curator. I visited a couple benefactors personal museums, the millionaires had great collections. The billionaire we visited had a personal museum, big building, totally environmental control etc . This person had full time people who purchased items.

If I had crazy money I wonder what I would do. I like buying cameras. I wouldn't buy any of the ugly gold plated crap.

This Swedish model is pretty cool, depends on condition and rarity. I doubt that 100 years from now people will care.

 

[Arthurwg]

You mean that a person shouldn’t find joy in personal purchases and must be punished by having his earned money be taken away from him in order to disappear in a system that will likely never give back to the community?


Yes, something like that.

 

[TheRook]

someones already bid on it!

Wasn't me!

I'm more of a camera user than a camera collector. If I can't picture myself getting a lot of use out of a camera, then I don't buy it. And if I owned this camera, it would certainly not be go-to, everyday camera.

 

[choiliefan]

The 25% buyers premium is a killer.

 

[guangong]

There are people who spend $25,000 more casually than many of us part with 25 cents. In the yachting world, $25,000 isn’t even pocket change.
There were autograph collectors who wrote Picasso checks for large amounts, hoping to get an endorsed canceled check.
I do like Picasso’s advice: live like a poor man, but have plenty of money!

 

[Dan Fromm]

I just read this thread from the beginning. The current bid is 20,000 Euros, not dollars. The bid increment is 2,000 Euros. OP, read more carefully. 20,000 Euros plus 20% bidder's premium plus. if sold in the EU 15% VAT on price plus bidder's premium isn't that much.

For those of you who aren't serious collectors or aren't acquainted with serious collectors, here's an example of that reality. My late friend Charlie Barringer was a serious collector of Zeiss equipment and what he called extreme lenses. He died in 2010. His widow sold his collection to Westlicht, who auctioned some of it and sold some of it on eBay. About this last, I recognized a lens I'd sold to Charlie in a Westlicht listing on eBay and asked them if was from his collection. It was.

Westlicht sold Charlie's 40/0.33 Super-Q Gigantar and "Barry Lyndon lens" (50/0.7 Planar). The hammer prices were 90,000 and 60,000 Euros respectively. Plus, IIRC, 20% bidders' premiums. In comparison, that Leica is priced, so far, like chicken feed.

About Charlie. He was one of the founders of Zeiss Historica and a coauthor of the Zeiss-Ikon Compendium.

 

[Colin Corneau]

You mean that a person shouldn’t find joy in personal purchases and must be punished by having his earned money be taken away from him in order to disappear in a system that will likely never give back to the community?

Sounds more like jealousy, imo.

Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Plenty more examples out there to support his statement than yours, frankly.

At $22,000 I'm not sure it's a camera any longer but rather just an object.

 

[NB23]

Sounds pretty reasonable to me. Plenty more examples out there to support his statement than yours, frankly.

At $22,000 I'm not sure it's a camera any longer but rather just an object.

Sure, you are right. In your world, in your reality, through your vision of things, through your experiences and through how you let the medias affect you, you are right in your own right.

You know... even a prisonner ends up loving his cell.

 

[Colin Corneau]

Sure, you are right. In your world, in your reality, through your vision of things, through your experiences and through how you let the medias affect you, you are right in your own right.

You know... even a prisonner ends up loving his cell.

Yes, nothing says freedom like watching billionaires paying little to no taxes while they shut down the economy and drive your pay check into the toilet. "Stockholm syndrome", I believe it's called.

 

[NB23]

Nothing says freedom as someone not being okay with another man purchasing a $22K good, yeah?

Not stockholm syndrome, but a slight form of it. I believe it’s called Prison identity. And more or less, that’s how the government plays with our lives, shaping us and our behaviours with their careful decisions. All starts at the municipal level. Pushing you to take the public transport instead of your car. Or even summoning you because you use a plastic bag. Basically they just work towards creating our prison identity.

And I also note a high degree of socio-economic misunderstanding, at large, through the population.

This discussion is a prime example. In general, the prisonner wishes for all the population to be prisonners. Just like poor people do not accept that a camera is worth 22,000$