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trudee yama

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Hi Everyone,

A friend of mine has access to a vast amount of film that's 20 year old, stored in either a freezer or refrigerator. From B&W, slide, color - discontinued film, so my questionis obvious, are they any good?

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I have used frozen B&W older than than with no problems. I do know it was always frozen because it was my Fathers. Color may be another story as it is more complex and more susceptible to age. Another problem might be obsolete processing, although it's been a long time since E-4.
 

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Color negative and black and white film should work OK, there will be a bit of base fog possibly, but this should not stop you from making good prints or scans. Color slide film could be more problematical, as there is no printing stage for the final slide in which to make corrections. I have had old slide film turn out OK or totally unacceptable..it all depends on the film, and I haven't used enough ancient film to give a guideline on slides.

In order of probably acceptability
The most likely film to still be OK would be the Black and White, with slower speed black and white the best.
Secondly would be the color negative film, again with the slower speed films holding up better.
Thirdly Color slides. You just have to try a roll and see.
 

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Another problem might be obsolete processing, although it's been a long time since E-4.

Kodak E-6 has been the standard for Kodak slide films since the mid-1970's. well longer than 20 years.

Kodak C-41 has been the standard for color negative films for over 25 years.

Not all other brands immediately conformed to Kodak processes, though, so you will find some slide and negative films from other makers possibly requiring obsolete processes.
 

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A further comment. Refrigeration or Freezing does not halt the fog increase film gets from background radiation in the atmosphere that is all around us. Over a few decades this will increase fog in any film, regardless of the storage conditions.
 

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The only way to know if it's any good is to try it. You will often find that you can obtain different "feels" that you can't get with fresh stuff. These may be particularly suited to certain types of subject matter. The only alternative is to chuck it................and then you'd never know!

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I have a few rolls of HP5 72 exposure from around 1985. It has been frozen, but as pointed out, that has not keep it from getting dark. It is still usable, but printing times are longer.
 
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I'm often using very old film; one of my all-time favorites is some Ektachrome Prof 64; I have some that expired in '81 and some that expired in '84; frozen since then (except while being mailed to me). I shoot it as 80 and get great results - very very nice browns, purples, blues pretty good too especially medium blues; whites, grays, not so handsome (but not magenta or anything bad, just not amazing), greens OK if there are browns and blues/purples to balance the scene, but a little grayish or dark. In other words, great spring colors film, but i don't use it in winter in Alaska so much where the colors are gray, white, dark gray-green (spruce trees in winter), etc.

So the film has changed; not into something bad or unrealistic looking, but to something that looks incredible for some types of light, and not so perfect for others (like all film). My advice would be to test the various films under different conditions (lighting, colors, speeds, etc.), maybe get a test patch and shoot it to compare to the results, and then decide if you like the results, and for what types of shooting. If some colors don't look as good as others, think of situations where you could take advantage of the colors that look good. Of course if it's too far off then there might not be much to use it for except 'weird' shots (night? high color shots? abstracts).

I consider my early '80s EPR64 to be one of the greatest film 'finds' ever, and will miss being able to use it in leafy spring deciduous woods when I have shot the last roll (I have about 8-10 left I think). People can go on an on about kodachrome, or portra, or ektar, or HP5 (I do), because of their great colors or grain or lack of grain for whatever use and the amazing palette unlike anything else, but how many people out there have gotten to use my 'secret EPR64 emulsion'?

Have also shot a fair amount of KR64 from same source, expiry 1984, 1986, 1987 - also good, but i don't see a palette change so much from the original in those (of course kodachrome's great as is). I also have some vericolor III, same source, but haven't used it much except to verify that it's still +- good; haven't printed or scanned anything to tell further.

I just test developed one roll of Soviet 'Svema' 64 B/W film for a friend last night; he shot it in '94 and it's been in closets of fridges ever since... Developed normally in HC110 and it came out apparently normal (maybe very slightly lowered contrast, but the film wasn't very high contrast to begin with); entireely adequate. I have about another 20 rolls of his vintage '92-'94 to develop yet ... time capsules!
 
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Wait - I take back everything I said; the film is useless, horrible, - even worse, it's hazardous waste - mail it to me and I'll see that it is properly disposed of before it can harm the population!
 

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Wait - I take back everything I said; the film is useless, horrible, - even worse, it's hazardous waste - mail it to me and I'll see that it is properly disposed of before it can harm the population!

Nice try! I'm in the car already. Not a clue where I'm going - but what's new :D:D

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I think all those films still might work, but I think any black and white film or Kodachrome 25 or 64 film would still preform the best
 

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Wait - I take back everything I said; the film is useless, horrible, - even worse, it's hazardous waste - mail it to me and I'll see that it is properly disposed of before it can harm the population!


Before you ask it. Yes you were that obvious! :D :D :D
 

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I have a few rolls of Kodachrome 25 from 1989 that have been kept frozen since purchase. As far as I can tell, there is nothing wrong with it.
 
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If we cannot find a home for these old films, hazmat has already been contacted and film will be properly disposed. Thank you, I'll pass along this information.
 
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Here's the list. These are not for sale, the owner just wants to find them a good "home". FYI: We live Hawaii.

Kodak Tech Pan Flim Estar TP 135-36
Kodak Tri-Pan Film - 51/2 inchesx20 feet
Eastman Plus X - Negative Film 7231 - 16 mm
Kodak Ektachrome 160 Elite 400 - color slide film
Kodak Super 8 - color movie film
Kodak Ektrachrome 160T Tungsten Color Slides
Kodachrome PKM 135-36 Professional Film
Kodak Elite Chrome - film color slides
Kodak High Speed Infrared HIE 135-36
Kodak T Max 400 135-36
Kodak Ektar PHR 135-36
Kodak Gold 200 Print Film
Kodachrome 25 Professional Color Reversal Film
Ektachrome 64 Professional
Kodak Ektachrome Slide Duplicating Film - Type K
Kodak Plus X Pan 125
Ilford XPI 400 - 50x135 Cassettes

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I want to buy about half of those :D Slower films should be better. The kodachrome 25 and kodachrome 40t super 8 will be interesting. I would be willing to mAke sure those get disposed of too.
 
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Be sure to watch ebay, folks - many good old films to experiment with there (more than just kodachrome and Ektar 25!); that's where I got my beloved 1981 EPR64!
 

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Gee, I am willing to get on the plane and come take these off your hands....but it's supposed to snow again tomorrow and I might not be able to get to the airport.
 
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And the $#@!! volcano's blasted the flights from Alaska - curses! The peoplel must be saved from the toxic old film!
 
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