I shall be moving into your basement where I will spend the rest of my days (or daze) for $50 per month. - David Lyga
Gas . . . I bought a used all electric car to save about $4600 in gas bills commuting to work annually where they provide free charging!
Do not be so naive in thinking that I will not grab this $50 'offer', water and all (but, hopefully, no waterBUGS)! - David LygaDon't mind the boxes of cameras or the water coming up from the floor. This here is a century home, and what I can afford.
Commute. Work.
What strange words are these? I recall doing something like that a long time ago. Now I sit in my soon-to-be-rented out basement wearing a mask and yelling at a screen.
Do not be so naive in thinking that I will not grab this $50 'offer', water and all (but, hopefully, no waterBUGS)! - David Lyga
If I can have a 'darkroom' in a 10 X 11 foot efficiency, I can have one there. If you do not offer this to me I will send Sean a note telling him to deal with you. - David LygaNot insulated.
Also, my darkroom has not been built since I moved in. That may be a deal breaker.
If I can have a 'darkroom' in a 10 X 11 foot efficiency, I can have one there. If you do not offer this to me I will send Sean a note telling him to deal with you. - David Lyga
Well, since I am a vegetarian, the jams and preserves will preserve me. But ... Shawn ... who is he?
You live in TX?That's nothing. I got a gallon of regular for less than .99 a few months ago...
A very complicated question -Back to the topic:
So we have not yet for sure established whether the replacement of the press camera in the USA went over the 35mm RF or was directly by the 35mm SLR.
Am I right?
Convenience and portability often trump small image quality improvements. Not to mention 35mm is more more efficient and cost effective, and allows you to take many more pictures and choose the "best" ones. Just look how popular cell phone cameras have become and have trumped DSLRs in recent years. It's simply because of convenience and portability, that's it...
That being said I think press cameras are really cool for historical purposes. I'd love to have one at some point, I think they'd look really cool to use and feel really old timey - like what you'd see in movies, with press photographers with huge cameras photographing celebrities.
But for the average person and for functional purposes, ease of use and portability are king. Even the resurgence of rangefinder cameras in recent years and mirrorless vs. dslr reflect this trend.
You live in TX?
Back to the topic:
So we have not yet for sure established whether the replacement of the press camera in the USA went over the 35mm RF or was directly by the 35mm SLR.
Am I right?
No doubt. I've read the stories myself.Well, we know that a photographers for Life magazine were using Leica and Contax rangefinder cameras with Leitz and Zeiss glass, when he travelled to Japan in early 1950 and met up with another Life photographer, and THEY connected with someone in Japan who used Japanese lens. Curiousity aroused, THEY visited Nikon and engaged in a comparison of their Leitz and Zeiss lenses vs. Japanese optics, and the twophotographers for Life and Fortune left Japan owning Nikkor lenses fitted to their German rangefinder camera. The NY Times heard about their results in that same year, and this resulted in the 1950 article praising the Nikkor lenses...so the popularity of the Nikon rangefinder cameras got established may years before the introduction of the Nikon F in 1959. All of the events I related above are available for corroboration.
A lot of that arrogance has to do with ignorance. People in Europe tend to travel much more to other countries than people in the United States so they are more aware. It's easy to think that everything is better here, but when you actually go other places you find out that you are wrong. Some things are better done here and some things are better done somewhere else. Some, it's just a matter of opinion.
The answer to this question is frustratingly confusing because of all the inherent loyalties which were at work. The press was not a monolith. As said previously, the last holdout for press cameras was the Anchorage Times, I think, and that event collapsed in the early 70s!!!The question arises if that
"praising the Nikkor lenses...so the popularity of the Nikon rangefinder cameras got established"
actually made the US press photographers working within the USA change their practice yet, or was it the appearance of the Nikon F.
Again from the little which I recollect, I think that the press camera was actually part of the photojournalist's attire. I would not put too much technical where the aesthetic should go. In that era, women had big hats, also. It was an 'era' not especially trademarked by efficiency or conciseness. - David LygaThis thread is inspiring me to pick up a mamiya press nowI really like the aesthetic of it. What are the advantages of a press type camera and why were they popular at one point? The main advantage that I can see is the interchangeable backs, allowing you to use different crop factors on 120.
On the other hand, with all these backs and interchangeable lenses, I'm loathe to calibrate the rangefinder mechanism on it, which I imagine may cause problems
In some ways, that is the case. Life was a bit different at that time. Priorities were different; societal norms prevailed. For example, people did not go out to eat without dressing up. People fit into an inviolable, societal mold whereby breaking away, because of personal preference, was not usually allowed. There were some gadflies who got away with it, but that was not the norm. The 'structure' of the photojournalist HAD to be as such: in a slight way, that big camera was part of his uniform. - David LygaSo, other than technical requirements, ignorance, maleness and stubborness we now can add fashion as cause.
To add, "fashion" as a general requirement, is very much a factor. Well before WWII, psychologists and social scientists started studying what drove people to make the decisions they did and do. Whether it's buying a house, automobile, camera, clothing, whatever. People and organizations make decisions based on some inner drive. And the companies which cater to those wants and needs use available means to fulfill those needs. It's also what drives technology, which ultimately drives science. Companies everywhere spend huge sums on research and development to find out if a product will be successful; whether this month's ad campaign will increase market share, etc. People's behavior in many instances, is quite predictable. Marketers use this as a tool for a company's own benefit.So, other than technical requirements, ignorance, maleness and stubborness we now can add fashion as cause.
I got curious about the number of photos from the 1950s of photojournalists pictured with their cameras. Holding them, using them, and posed with them.
Clearly 135 rangefinder use had displaced a lot of sheet film camera use. I was surprised at the relatively few TLRs pictured. And zero 135 format SLRs from the 1950s!
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