135mm f/2 lens recommendation

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As far as classic lenses, wouldn't recommend the rather ordinary Ais 135/f2 just because it can be found for much less, over the wonderful and legendary 105/2.5 that the OP already has. (See, for example, the evaluations by Bjørn Rørslett at www.naturfotograf.com/lens_short.html) Better to stick with the 105/2.5 (Gauss version), one of the best classic lenses ever made, or to spend more to get the better apochromatic optics that 40-50 years of research and development has produced now that aspherical surfaces and exotic glasses are available.
 

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All sound like big $, at least to me. Just picked up a Tamron Adaptall II 135mm f2.5 for $20 and don't think I'll miss the half stop of lens speed, focuses to 4 feet also and has a 58mm filter size.
Already have a 135 f3.5 for light weight packing for a trip but think the Tamron will fill the bill for a close portrait lens.
 

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Same for the Zeiss: Excellent in the mid, very good in the corners. Stopping down the quality is outstanding over the complete frame.Bokeh is superb, CAs very low. Should be called "Otus"....
 

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Re: Nikkor 135mm f/2 AF-D DC

Yes, this is one of the lenses I am considering because it should work on my older film Nikon bodies.

I plan on using this lens at f/2 and need high image quality at this f-stop. How is the image quality of your lens when shot wide open?

Wide open produces beautiful images from my D700. I wouldn't be afraid to print at 16x20 with it, but I'm not pixel peeping either. I bought the lens primarily to control background bokeh and it is great for that.

Comparing its MTF curves to the Zeiss 135/2, it gives up a little bit:

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/singlefocal/Telephoto/af_dc135mmf_2d/index.htm

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However, for beautiful scenic pictures, the DC Nikkor was the one for me.
 
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Having owned and used the Nikkor 85 f/1.4 for years in all sorts of conditions, including at live venues where lighting was all over the place and flare just happens, I jumped at the chance to possibly fill the gap I have between my Nikkor 105 f/2.5 and my Nikkor ED 180 f/2.8 with either the Nikkor 135 f/2.8 or 135 f/2.

I also tried another combination by borrowing the TC-14A and adding it to my 85 f/1.4 to make it an almost 120mm focal length with an aperture f/1.8 which really was a nice combination. This was a serious performer and one I really would have pursued, finding an affordable TC-14A though was another problem.

At the same time I had the use of the Nikkor 135 f/2 Ai-S, I borrowed from him the TC-14A. The 135 f/2 had one clear advantage over my 85 f/1.4 coupled with the TC-14A, it had a built in lens hood, which to me was/is a very handy bonus.

The 135 f/2 is a pretty neat lens, it really is working hard at f/2 and resolution is certainly better down one stop, but in a live venue and sometimes with direct light into the lens, it worked as good as pretty much anything else of that era.

I couldn’t find any Nikkor 135 f/2 lens at anything other than astronomical prices, so I jumped when a pristine example of the Nikkor 135 f/2.8 turned up, I bought that and have been happy ever since.

Conclusions with regard to Nikkor lenses. The 85 f/1.4 and 180 ED f/2.8 have the same look, in that they have a slightly higher inherent contrast compared to my 105 f/2.5 and 135 f/2.8. This inherent contrast is not a good thing, nor is it a bad thing, it just is.

When Zeiss released their manual focus 85mm f1.4 lens, I was able to run a roll off at the camera expo it was being displayed at. I turned up with two F3 bodies loaded with film and two tripods. I also had my Nikkor 85 f/1.4 lens with me. With two tripod mounted F3 bodies one with the Zeiss lens and one with the Nikkor lens attached, I and the person flogging the Zeiss lens took shots side by side.

The way I was able to swing the deal was to allow them to run two rolls of E6 film through both cameras, which they would keep, process and use, as a comparative test. As this was the lens they were trying to sell against, it was something they couldn’t resist.

My negatives showed that there was a difference between both lenses, sort of the same difference between the Nikkor 105 f/2.5 and 135 f/2.8 and the Nikkor 85 f/1.4 and ED 180 f2.8. In other words an incremental, and I do mean incremental difference. I never got to see the E6 results, I was never given a reason, but I assume the differences between the 85 Nikkor and 85 Zeiss were not quite as large as they may have liked or assumed.

One would assume that the current lens manufacturing and coating technology available today would mean that the Zeiss 135 f/2, would probably have a slightly more than incremental difference over the Nikkor built around 25 years or more ago.

Interestingly, I can purchase the Zeiss lens in Melbourne Australia for approximately the same price you have nominated in USD, also it is in stock.

If you were continuing on with manual focus camera bodies exclusively, I would suggest the auto focus Nikkor may be the better buy. For ultimate quality and an after-market lens that focuses in the same direction as Nikkor lenses, the manual focus Zeiss may be the better buy.

Class glass and impressive speed has never been a cheap thing, especially when combined. In the past few days I have been enlarging over 50 portrait negatives, all shot with my Nikkor 85 f/1.4. The cost of that lens when I purchased it hurt, but the prints I have been producing in the last 24 years I have owned it are priceless.

When the recipients of those prints see them displayed for their initial viewing, the approving murmurs, sometimes accompanied with a little ‘wow’ thrown in, make it all worthwhile.

Good luck in your quest.

Mick.
 
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Thanks to all of you for your comments and suggestions. You were a big help.

Even though the bargain-priced ($525) Samyang and Rokinon 135mm f/2 lenses probably produced high quality images, I removed them from my list because the focus ring rotated in a direction opposite to all my other Nikon manual focus lenses. Based on quick manual focusing problems I had with a Vivitar lens that I once owned, I decided to avoid the opposite rotation focusing problems.

I was able to narrow my list to:

a. Refurbished Zeiss 135mm f/2 for $1288

b. Used Nikon 135mm f/2 DC in excellent condition for $820

c. Used Nikon 135mm f/2 AIS in excellent condition for $600

I decided to buy the Nikon AIS lens. Hopefully, wide open, it will produce images comparable to my 105mm and 180mm when shot wide open.


Nikon F2 & 135mm f/2 by Narsuitus, on Flickr
 

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Congratulations, I do believe you will be quite happy with that lens, perhaps you could let us know down the track what your thoughts about it are?

Mick.
 

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I'm curious too about the 135 f2 AIS - I know wide open its a little soft, but they, f2! Same with the 105 1.8
 
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The Nikon 135mm f/2 lens was well made and had decent image quality. However, it did not have the image quality I wanted. I wanted the wide open image quality to be at least equal to the wide open image quality of my 105mm and 180mm lenses. It was not. The image detail and contrast were inferior to my 105mm and 180mm lenses.

I decided to try the Zeiss 135mm f/2 lens. This lens exceeded my expectations. Wide open, the Zeiss lens produced images that were superior to my wide open 105mm and 180mm lenses.


135mm f/2 Manual Focus Lenses by Narsuitus, on Flickr
 

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I've used for years the Soligor 135mm f/2 manual lens. The first one I had was in M42. I sold it and regretted it. I bought another one in OM mount which I still used. The quality is very good - Not as good as the Nikkor or Zeiss but for the money a best buy.

Also consider the Vivitar Series 1 135mm f/2.3. It's a very sharp lens and current pricing for one in Nikon mount reflects the high quality.


Another gem is the Soligor 200mm f/2.8. I use one in OM mount and will never sell it. It's up there with the Nikkors.
 
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