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  1. Pieter12

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Except type 55 and 8x10 and larger, the old Polaroid was pretty sorry, too. The big deal was it was relatively "instant." I remember tales of subjects and assistants fainting from the chemical smells while the very large Polaroids were processed.

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Agreed, it's dreadful, nothing like the original Polaroid.
  3. Cholentpot

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    I remember this. People realized that sharing a physical photo was something they missed.
  4. analogwisdom

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Fuji was actually evaluating whether or not to discontinue Instax, around the same time of the final Polaroid bankruptcy. Thanks to a couple of Korean TV shows featuring Instax cameras in the late 2000s, though, a ton of teenagers got interested in them and sales suddenly skyrocketed, basically...
  5. Cholentpot

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...My first camera that I loaded myself was in my 20's. Everything else was a disposable. I had a buddy who was a 'rich kid' His family used Polaroid. We never did nor did any of our circle of friends and family. It was way to expensive back then. We would get Polaroids at events, they'd have...

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    To clarify I still shoot Polaroid, I just got a real early start 🤣 I have the packfilm adapter for my mamiya press sitting on the shelf just waiting in case the day comes that packfilm is available again.
  7. Chan Tran

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    I did have 2 Polaroid SX-70's One is the original and the other one has auto focus. I also shot 1 roll of 12 exposure polachrome. I paid for the roll and the store processed it for me with their processor (I didn't buy the processor). It was a launch event at a photo store. I did use the peeled...

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    … but did any of you use instant film? I remember family taking pics of us with Polaroid pack film and flash bulbs. Born slightly too late to remember the Polaroid roll film era yet remember those cameras. But I do remember experiencing the Polaroid 35mm slide film…
  9. MattKing

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...to Kodak. If you saw the prints made from it by our photofinisher, you would understand why. I never recommended it. We also sold some Polaroid SX-70 film, plus some Ektachrome. I can't remember ever having any black and white film available, but we might have. We also sold some truly...
  10. Chan Tran

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...square inches which is 8.55 times larger. So if they can make an 8x10 instant film for $10 a shot it's very cheap even compared to an inkjet print of the same size. I really want to see instant film in larger format than what Fuji is offering. I think the quality of the current Polaroid isn't...
  11. benderscameracorner

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Given the issues the new Polaroid co have had with QC and competitive pricing over the past decade or so, I can't see Kodak even considering getting in the ring. Especially as their own history is so chequered in that space, tooling from scratch would be massively expensive and they've got...
  12. RalphLambrecht

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Kodak would make and sell unicorns if enough people were buying them.
  13. MattKing

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    I'm trying to find my historical materials on this, but so far without success. Based on my recollection though, the major change related to the actual test for infringement - the case effectively expanded that to include a wider variety of types of infringing "similarities" between the patented...

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    @MattKing Hi Matt. Can you further expand on this thought, “the Polaroid litigation resulted in a major change to US patent law”. I was aware of litigation and Kodak’s loss in the case but not resulting change to the law. What resulting changes to patent law do you refer?
  15. MattKing

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...have little or nothing to do with photography. I don't think that there would be many people left at Eastman Kodak from the days when the Polaroid litigation resulted in a major change to US patent law - to Eastman Kodak's great detriment - but if there are, I would expect that they would be...
  16. Hassasin

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Putting Kodak against that tiny team at New55 ? (which is what I mentioned, not Impossible). We can go back and forth. I have no doubt making a quality instant film has nothing to do with purported complexity, but return on investment required to make it happen. And the latter is directly...

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...line. Kodak's R and D staff retired or were laid off, it has been close to 20 years that film market collapsed, Kodak R&D staff retired or were laid off. Project Impossible started with legacy Polaroid equipment, don't recall if they got the building as well. Fuji was set all set up to Insta...
  18. Chan Tran

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...film to go in view camera. They can sell small digital camera with the instant film characteristic programmed in so one can do a preview before making the shot. Kind of a reverse process of taking Polaroid test shots back in the old days now taking digital test shots before taking the instant...

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Perhaps a focus on the artist market… wouldn’t it be great to revive Type 59 and Polaroid transfer printing?
  20. koraks

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...market and very steep technological requirements. Instant color photography has proven to be a fairly sizeable market and performance-wise, you can get away with a pretty shoddy product - look at Instax and Polaroid color fidelity and lack of archivalness. Crossover isn't a bug, it's a feature!

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    I believe it's absolutely incredible that Impossible was able to take a pile of old Polaroid process machinery, minus the supporting plants (including the Massachusetts plants producing negatives) and infrastructure, and manage to reformulate the chemistry to actually produce film that works...
  22. Hassasin

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...They started with a "wheelbarrow" technology (pun intended) and did make a machine that would put pieces together, they would fit into Polaroid back, they would pull out of that back too, and they did peel apart producing an image. Regardless how that ended, how can anyone doubt Kodak could...
  23. Hassasin

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...fantasies now. Would help toning down our egos. Kodak most certainly has infrastructure and R&D capacity to produce instant film, If N Polaroid was able to produce something that many think is instant film worthy of Polaroid name, Kodak is far ahead in that capacity game, without even...
  24. Lachlan Young

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    ...of complexity involved in the systems integration and mechanical assembly steps. Impossible had the benefit of being able to strip several Polaroid factories for the process machinery needed. Fuji had the benefit of Kodak essentially selling off their entire instant system to them. There's...
  25. Hassasin

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Current Polaroid should have never been allowed to be called that name, period.
  26. Chan Tran

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    The reason I wish Kodak to make instant film because they have the ability to make it. The Instax is good but they are available only in very small format. The Polaroid is not up to the quality the old Polaroid was.

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    The professional Polaroid peel-apart colour film was produced with Kodak made negative film. So they were quite into this business... ...and seen by today's legal standards, Polaroid would have lost the case, because the Kodak Instant film was quite different from the Polaroid film. In fact the...
  28. Lachlan Young

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Kodak thoroughly researched peel apart films, but did not commercialise them for various reasons.

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Kodak instant film and cameras were given good reviews in Pop and Modern Photography. Polaroid had professional level films which Kodak did not make.
  30. Chan Tran

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    That's not true! In fact Kodak instant film was less expensive and better than Polaroid. Polaroid sued and successfully shut them down for patent infringement plus almost a billion dollars in award to Polaroid. If Polaroid is correct they claimed that Kodak cost them over 4 billions dollars in...
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