Just as soon as you compensate KodakAlaris for use of the Kodak still film brand. Alaris' lawyers likely don't consider relevant aspects of law "silly." 🙂
I'm kind of in that group. I lost some important negatives to the early Xtol not long after it came out. I haven't used it since. I know the problems were supposed to be fixed but there have always been so many alternatives I just haven't been interested in trying again.
I understand being...
Re: historic problems with Xtol: Steve Anchell did say he got fired from a job due to a failed batch of Xtol. If he is harboring a grudge about that, it didn't prevent Anchell and Troop in FDC 2nd ed. p. 61 from describing Xtol as the latest evolution of the solvent developer. Part of it is that...
I have been using XTOL for over a decade and never had a sudden death or any other problem. Anyone knowing what they are doing developing film will always test a developer before using it to develop film especially if the developer has not been used for a long time. Therefore, I always test...
Reputation to me as in the results it gives (when working well). I've read about the sudden death failures about Xtol and D-76 which I believe were from factory impurities in the mixes?
I've been given access to a nice dark room and my mindset is that I want to experience all there is for...
...Xtol ever again after ruining some important negatives in Xtol-gone-bad. More recently there were several batches of Xtol recalled by KodakAlaris. In spite of that, I continue to use and recommend Xtol (and Eco-Pro), but I do take the extra step of checking my stock solution for activity...
I'm curious where you see the still film sales to KA $ amount on the EK financial reports.
Every distributor who has an exclusive manufacturer is both dependent on that manufacturer, and is in a strong position with respect to that manufacturer.
And vice-versa.
There is an interdependence there...
Alaris selling Kodak film is an exclusive. Alaris selling other films means they're competing with other distributors already well established with retailers.
...of film to Alaris at $15 per roll and revenue from this somehow amounts not to $300m but $70m as reported in their financial statement.
KodakAlaris must be run by the biggest idiots ever. They wrote off $2.8bn in debt and paid additional $650m to end up hostage to Eastman Kodak. Believe...
...terms when the first agreement was negotiated.
And there is no doubt they did even more dictating when the effects of the pandemic put KodakAlaris into breach and a forced re-negotiation happened thereafter.
But KodakAlaris has a lot of power in the relationship as well, because there is...
I don't know. Why not? I can't see Eastman Kodak dictating any terms to Alaris. Considering the history, it's pretty much the other way around.
I'm sure they would love to buy Foma films for 1 EUR and sell them for 6 EUR, but Foma owes Alaris nothing and they are not stupid. Neither are...
Alaris only markets Kodak films produced by Eastman Kodak. That is a fact. If Henning says otherwise, he is wrong.
I've explained why it doesn't make sense for Alaris to price BW film more aggressively to be more competitive.
You misinterpret my sarcasm as reality. Of course Eastman Kodak doesn't directly establish the retail prices of still film. That doesn't mean it isn't driving the extravagant increases in those prices.
Making the leap from those overall figures to dismissal of Eastman Kodak as the driver of...
Eastman Kodak on average can't possibly get more than about $4 per roll from Alaris (probably less). I really can't see Alaris complaining. Hell, Alaris clearly state that their revenue from film went up 38% in last fiscal year alone because of favourable shifts in pricing and quantity. EK...
I don't think Kodak is suicidal. But they could be too greedy. If that happens, then overall sales will drop and they'll have to adjust their pricing. What I'm curious about is how Eastman Kodak and Alaris arrive at their price points and markups. Is there a discussion between them about that in...
You've taken that from where? I've been reading the financial reports from Eastman Kodak and Alaris for years now. Alaris' increase in Film revenue is growing at about 30+% per year (exception was 2021 with only about 10% increase due to Covid). They cite increased volume and price as a reason...
Nope. I've no idea. I'm just an Internet poster who jumps in to contribute uninformed nonsense. A user of Kodak products since 1962. A PHOTRIO (nee APUG) member since 2005. I know nothing. :)
So there's a third markup not two as I assumed (not including the final retailer). Does that cause higher prices than other films? How many markups do other films have?
...is zero evidence to support this. Revenue from the deal with Alaris has indeed risen by about 20m from 2020 to 2022. If we assume that KodakAlaris buys 20m rolls per year, Eastman Kodak improved their average price by about $1 per roll from 2020 to 2022.
In 2020/12 I paid 9,62 EUR for a...
...marketing, so they are the ones who can gage the demand and they are the ones marketing to increase the demand.
For still film, they and KodakAlaris only sell into a distribution system. So they require third parties to both gage the demand, and support its growth. They can, and do support...
KodakAlaris doesn't sell to retailers, or end users.
They sell to local distributors only.
So if you are a retailer in, eg. Portugal, you buy Kodak film from a distributor trading into the market in Portugal.
KodakAlaris and that distributor handle all of the details getting product into that...
Yeah, good question. I can't imagine trying to process the stuff Flic Film spools without a dedicated ECN-2 setup. I'm a dedicated KodakAlaris (distributed) customer. Alaris earns their money. The remainder of Eastman Kodak's global distribution network and then some.
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