Can Estman Kodak sell directly the Portra Family to the final consumer skiping Alaris?
This is my theory:
EA sells the same product with different names skiping Alaris, a little bit cheaper. Every cent counts. Alaris as the intermediary (middleman) is not in the equation. EA, per roll, gets...
Eastman Kodak can still license the use of the name to whomever they please. This includes Alaris, so we cannot say on this basis whether Alaris plays a role in this. Brand licensing is one of the ways EK generates revenues - albeit a minor part of their total balance sheet.
Moreover, Alaris...
Alaris adjusted their BW film pricing quite a while ago to be less ridiculous.
I know everybody is different, but a difference of £1 is not something that would force me to shoot HP5+ if Tri-X was my favourite film.
Something interesting brand wise is that they are using the "K" logo of Eastman Kodak. Alaris so far only used the 2006 minimalistic kodak logo.
IMO although flat, this design is nice and nods to the past. If anything, a larger "K" logo encompassing a whole side flap to make it visible...
...could easily elect to specialize in the product, and use their existing distribution infrastructure to expand sales to retailers. KodakAlaris would be happy to deal with them that way.
It is a Catch 22 situation - the market is small, so no existing distributor wants to devote capital to...
...But Cibachrome was expensive even in the heyday of film. Now, with the prices of E6 films being high due to the virtual monopoly of KodakAlaris, and the (unfortunate) shift to scanning, I doubt there could be enough demand for Ciba, although I would personally buy it, should it be still...
Kodak has its fingers in many pies now, film is something like 8% of their annual revenue if I remember right. They’re not hurting for cash. They’re very much diversified now, not unlike Fuji, with a lot of high volume industrial customers in high growth industries using their services. Even if...
Which ones - the Eastman Kodak bankruptcy lawyers, the lawyers in the UK who acted for the Pension authorities and subsequently KodakAlaris, the lawyers acting for Sino Promise, or the lawyers who employed the clerks tasked with maintaining trademark registration currency for an entity going...
It was designed to work the same as the pre-2019 stuff, and when it came out users continued to be referred to the 2017 datasheet, which KodakAlaris continues to host publicly, despite not having any direct involvement.
KodakAlaris also continues to use the 2017 film datasheets that also...
I think somebody at Kodak (whichever Kodak has the name rights - Alaris ?) screwed up - their contract / licensing with Sino Promise should have included that if Sino Promise was unable to fulfill the terms or supply the product, the rights to the IP would revert to Kodak. I think that's a...
Thanks for the clarification. At first, I wasn't sure if the December 2017 J-24 Data Sheet from Kodak-Alaris was for the old (viscous syrup) version, or the newer, thinner version. But after some more searching, it looks like the thinner version was not released until 2019(?)
I assume the Kodak...
...location referenced for the renamed entity. (Kodak, fpf.ccidahk.gov.hk)
Business/portfolio context. In 2020, Sino Promise acquired the KodakAlaris Paper & Photochemicals business (licensing/brand rights), later ran into operational/financial trouble in 2022–2023, and exited chemistry; Kodak...
...U.S. registration for ROYAL (photographic paper) lists Blue ISO Limited as owner; the file shows multiple assignments over time, with KodakAlaris appearing in the chain. (USPTO Report)
In 2024 Blue ISO opposed Eastman Kodak’s attempt to (re)register XTOL at the USPTO’s Trademark Trial and...
...old, original HC-110 - the one formerly made by Eastman Kodak, then made under contract for Eastman Kodak, then made under contract for KodakAlaris, until Tetenal went bankrupt - i.e, the really viscous stuff - was the one with legendary longevity - so legendary that no longevity information...
I did find a data sheet for Kodak HC-110, J-24, from Alaris dated Dec. 2017. So far, I have not found a data sheet for the new renamed version.
I am still trying to get my head around the similarities and differences between the several variations of HC-110 developer.
KODAK PROFESSIONAL HIGH...
That is the KodakAlaris site for film - it has been there for years.
The difference being that they renamed the web address - it used to include Alaris in the name.
Here is the link: https://www.kodakprofessional.com/
I seems it is not just the forbidding to sell movie film as still film. It's that the movie film is still Kodak-branded film that when used as still film must be distributed by Alaris. I assume there's even Kodal imprinted on the emulsion of the movie film. Whereas Cinestill film made by...
Well... A big wing at EK shouldn't be able to break a contract with Alaris. In principle, EK doesn't need much persuasion to sell its products to a willing buyer.
That sounds like too obvious a loophole that it would have been mentioned in whichever agreement forbids EK from selling movie film...
Kodak isn’t allowed to sell consumer film directly. They also aren’t allowed to sell motion picture film for stills use. There are a few exceptions, however. A few notable ones are CineStill Lomo and Fuji, and a few motion pictures spoolers that have specific contracts with Kodak that allow them...
...issues.
Sometimes, the way to "prime" that is to be able to show to investors or lenders that there are signs of pent up demand.
KodakAlaris' observations about demand, plus similar observations from the motion picture film people at Eastman Kodak, is what resulted in the re-introduction...
There is no "official" Kodak local distributor anywhere in the world.
Kodak still film goes from Eastman Kodak through KodakAlaris into each country.
And then existing distributors, who are already set up to serve existing retail distribution chains for products of all sorts - groceries...
...Print
KODAK 100TMX
Edge Print
KODAK 400TMY-2
Edge Print
KODAK P3200TMZ
All taken from the links on this page of the relevant KodakAlaris website: https://www.kodakprofessional.com/photographers/film/black-white
If you look at the TMZ page, you will see confirmation of the 800 ISO...
Without commenting on your larger point, I'd suggest that it was not "11 pages of wasted posts". There were some pearls in there about the relationship between Kodak and Alaris, film sales, and the financial health of the company.
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