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  1. Prest_400

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    I've had the interesting experience of being a millenial that picked up film during the digital revolution and great recession, so bridge the experience of legacy cheap film with digital as a substitute to have become a very valued media for its qualities and flaws as well as getting high price...
  2. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    But you're arguing against your own point. Film isn't water. Ask the people who live in the desert. No water, no life. Digital is a substitute for film. BW is a substitute for color. Life will go on. 99% of film users already left for digital before film prices escalated. How does any film...
  3. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Existing film companies could invest in color if they see they can make money in it. So that's on Eastman's and ALaris's minds when they raise prices. They don't want to invite competition. If Alaris can be bought by a rich private equity firm, so can those other film companies. This is one...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    I disagree at least partly, because to 1) After Kodak Alaris and Sino Promise failure in the RA-4 market Fujifilm gained their market share in addition completely independent from potential substitute products. Nevertheless Fujifilm has not exploited that lucky situation (for them) by big price...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...factory upgrades should be completed this year). At least Fujifilm as a monopolist is behaving much much more consumer friendly than Kodak Alaris: - Fujifilm has now a de-facto monopoly in silver-halide RA-4 photo paper. But despite that they have kept their prices extremely low. No monopoly...
  6. brbo

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    To be fair, no one has done more damage than Fuji. If it wasn't for Alaris (which enabled Kodak film production to continue and is now expecting to get paid for that) colour film would be effectively dead. We would be fighting to get hold of what shitty film others can produce (at twice the...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Thanks. Sorry, I have not seen your former postings. What Kodak Alaris is currently doing with exploiting their de-facto monopoly in CN film is almost 100% from the economic textbook / educational book. It is taught in the first semester in micro-economics. For people without economic...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...if the massive price increase of Kodak film will continue in the way of the last 3-4 years. But where this limit is remains to be seen. Kodak Alaris is currently definitely testing the limits, testing the price elasticity to find out how far they can go until shrinking demand will...
  9. koraks

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Yes, you did. But what we disagree on is the willingness of a certain group of photographers to move away to digital for the work they presently do in film. I do agree with you that a decent chunk of people will in fact walk away from film if it just gets too darn expensive. However, looking at...
  10. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Kodak went bankrupt because of digital. So much for their near monopoly of the film industry. You're not a monopoly if there are reasonable alternatives. A bicycle isn't an alternative to an automobile. If prices get too high, even dedicated film users will move to the digital alternative.

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    Place the shadow. Place the highlight.

    ...a true speed of 1200 to 1600, but Kodak DX codes it as 3200, it is intended for action not fine arts. I was bit surprised that when Kodak Alaris brought TMax 3200 back to the market that they did not market as 1600, with Delta 3200 still on the market I guess they did want seem to seem as...
  12. koraks

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    For those who want to shoot color film, there's not all that much of an alternative though. It's very close to a strict monopoly, and in practice it pretty much works that way. The fact that digital is an alternative doesn't do away with this fact. If there was only one car manufacturer on the...
  13. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Kodak does not have a monopoly. People can switch to other manufacturers or to digital.

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    I have to agree with you based on my experiences with travelling in Asian countries: Before Kodak Alaris' massive price increases of the last four years there has been a huge film resurgence in Asia. But that has been severly damaged by this Alaris monopoly price inflation. In these markets lots...

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    I'm starting to panic

    That's completely false. https://kosmofoto.com/2024/11/kodak-alaris-announces-price-rises-for-january-2025-but-tri-x-is-getting-cheaper/ In 120 format both T-Max and Tri-X 120 films are rising, with the price of T-Max 100 and Tri-X rising by more than 20%. It's you that are not paying...
  16. Alan Edward Klein

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    I'm starting to panic

    Manufacturers too.

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    I'm starting to panic

    Nope, they simply increase the price to counteract the decreasing sales figure. If they sell more, the price decreases. Have you seen any price decrease in recent years?
  18. MattKing

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    I'm starting to panic

    And distributors - such as Kodak Alaris - are interested in increasing sales, because that is how their profits increase. They obtain zero benefit from decreased sales.
  19. MattKing

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    Tmax developer the color of Coca Cola when mixed

    That label though is from after Sino Promise took over. It was during the latter parts of the Kodak Alaris era that the disruption happened - with some production still showing as being in Germany, and some in the USA, and in a couple of cases in both locations, with the one you got depending on...
  20. Scott J.

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    Tmax developer the color of Coca Cola when mixed

    They did, for a little while. See here.
  21. MattKing

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    Tmax developer the color of Coca Cola when mixed

    ...had been sitting on the retailer's shelves for a long time. If, as an example, the label indicated that the developer was distributed by Kodak Alaris but made in the USA, it could already be 4-5 years old before it reached the OP. Admittedly, I'm not sure about whether Kodak Alaris ever had...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...at the big picture or having any real insight into the corporation, especially when it is described as primarily funding infusion. Kodak Alaris seems to be operating as they have in the past. Looking at their public filings, there has been bit of turnover on their board but that’s not...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Of course, Alan, we all know that. But for us as film photography lovers the focus and main interest is on their film distribution business, because that is really relevant for us.
  24. Alan Edward Klein

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Kodak Alaris is more than film: https://www.kingswood-capital.com/kodak-alaris-announces-acquisition-by-kingswood-capital-management/

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...business for Eastman Kodak. They are benefitting from that. It does no harm at all to them, just the opposite! Now most probably Kodak Alaris and maybe also CineStill (we remember their struggle with some respoolers some time ago) have made pressure on EK to stop that. Because they fear the...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    No one has said that. But fact is that Kodak Alaris has increased their prices to the end consumer much more than Eastman Kodak has increased their prices to Kodak Alaris. Besides the evidence for that you get if you talk to film shops and labs, you can see the evidence in all the cases when...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Not sure bulk rolls are feasible for Kodak. Just like 220 film.
  28. benderscameracorner

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    I'm a fan of Reflx mostly - they make some neat products and I've got a few rolls of 800T on the way in the mail - but I think they might be drawing a long bow here. That said, most of the issue would go away if Kodak (presumably K-Alaris, though I don't care who) would just sell 100ft bulk...

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    Thanks Brian I knew we could rely on you I shall try and refer to it as such from now on. Just a thought but it might be helpful if we adopted this title as the "new" KA rather than referring to it as KA Just a thought on my part of course pentaxuser
  30. MattKing

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    Reflx Lab says their respooled films could be discontinued

    ...to their input costs, while trying to keep the price they were charging under control. I have no visibility on what price increases Kodak Alaris was dealing with, but the motion picture film catalogue certainly has revealed significant increases over a relatively short period of time. And...
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