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  1. flavio81

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Excellent contribution!! Horrible color shifts when underexposing Pro Image 100 ... ! Exactly. As i've mentioned before on this forum, this was film intended for certain markets like south america.
  2. brbo

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    I wouldn't take the "disappearance" as an indication of future availability of ProImage 100 in the US as it never (AFAIK) was featured on Alaris' homepage (I also went through the trouble of checking Alaris' old webpages on WayBackMachine and came up empty, maybe someone else had more success?)...

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Wonderful job testing it! This, along with the fact that Kodacolor should be refrigerated, should end any speculation about it being ProImage. I've never tried Lomo CN100 but it makes sense to me that this is the same (or related) formulation. Regarding ProImage disappearing from Alaris'...
  4. Aidan Sciortino

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    I shot a comparison of Kodak (Alaris) Pro Image, and Kodak (Eastman) Kodacolor 100 today. Grey Card and Macbeth charts, same camera, lens, in daylight. Processed in the same tank, printed together on some of the Endura I do most of my work prints and testing on. Based on my results, I think...
  5. koraks

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    I think that's a good summary, yes.

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    ...all just speculation at this point with no definitive answer from EK. From what im gathering it's believed to be rebranded kodak gold and and proimage lines of their film, as it co-incides with these brands now being dropped from kodak Alaris? Its good that EK is selling this directly...
  7. koraks

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Can't blame you; it's 17 pages. Take it with a grain of salt, but here's what Copilot makes of the question what this long thread says about your question: Btw, the above really should be taken with a grain of salt as some of the AI output is evidently bogus - such as the allegation that this...
  8. Cholentpot

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    No idea why there's only pro B&W lines for kodak. There's no Ultramax or whatever line of black and white from Kodak. This old excuse. I find that Kodak is full of excuses why they can't. It's do or die right now. The market for film is wide open right now. Today. Not in five years. Take the...

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Yep, and Harman coats paper on the same machine. I betcha that EK could figure it out if Alaris wanted it. I agree that the machine in Rochester isn't setup for small runs. I'm getting ready to start spooling 20 exposure rolls. I have TMY-2 and TMX on hand. Double X too. I may pick up some...
  10. MattKing

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Harman's coater is far smaller than Kodak's, and the equipment for confectioning/finishing - making master rolls into actual user film rolls - is also oriented to much smaller scale. Kodak's colour film volumes are far higher than Harman's film volumes, but Harman has much higher black and...

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    Would Kodak get back into the instant film business?

    Excellent advice! Not really sure why there's not an entry-level Kodak offering in black and white. It's probably that Alaris has a model that says to let it be. I think that Harman have the best marketing folks. What a couple years ago was ordinary, now Ilford brand is a premium product...
  12. Agulliver

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Currently we do not know. But at least one major UK film retailer has said that all the retailers here have been instructed to not say anything "until the official announcement". One does wonder where it leaves Alaris. The new owners will want to make money (AKA recoup their investment). The...
  13. MattKing

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    The head business office for Kodak Alaris' Kodak film business has always been in Rochester New York up to now, and as far as I'm aware all Kodak still film that is shipped through Kodak Alaris originates through there - it certainly is manufactured there. Kodak Alaris was until recently merely...
  14. MattKing

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    ...the still film distribution infrastructure. Essentially, it was the cost burden imposed by that infrastructure that made Kodak bankrupt. Kodak Alaris took on some of the employee obligations for some of the people formerly working in the sales and marketing and distribution parts of EK, which...

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Honestly, this is the most plausible explaination I've heard yet.

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    I don't think we need to be too kind to Alaris here. Kodak had a responsibility to the UK government and Alaris was perhaps the lesser of two evils, but I think it is also hard to argue that Alaris was anything more than a vehicle for extracting value from Kodak's remains. Keep in mind, this is...
  17. MattKing

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Cinestill is probably set up to be a local distributor in Argentina and if they are selling the still films, they probably have been buying from KA. KA has only ever sold to local distributors - never to retailers or individuals. Of course Cinestill is the worldwide distributor for the very new...

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Alaris never had a presence in Argentina beyond the Kodak Moments website; the film was 100% gray market and was disappearing. The agreement with Cinestil changed everything, and in the short time since this publication, there are more Kodak films and Kodak products marketed by Cinestil than...
  19. MattKing

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    ...plans - and the projected/potential Kodak Limited pension fund shortfall was forecasted to be the largest claim ever on that fund. Kodak Alaris was created in an attempt to make enough profit over the years to reduce or eliminate that shortfall, because the alternative was to seize and sell...

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Thanks very much. I either forgot that or never saw it. :) That explains the longevity of Alaris' use of the brand name. Not sure if that implies exclusivity or has much to do with either exlusivity or perpetuality of their film distribution. Apparently not, though.
  21. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    The old owners were pensioners who were only interested in getting their monthly retirement checks. The operation seemed stultified. The new owner, an American investment company based in California, is an entrepreneur. Who knows what deals it and Eastman are making to improve film sales and...

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    404 Media was able to get ahold of EK for a statement: https://www.404media.co/kodak-quietly-begins-directly-selling-kodak-gold-and-ultramax-film-again/ In summary - it seems like EK gained the ability to sell direct to distributors in North America, the wording implying that ALL still films...
  23. koraks

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Maybe. The last report they published specifies that >60% of the business consists of Kodak Moments, which is basically prints, merchandise etc. The remainder is the 'alaris' proper business with the document digitization activities. They reported a decline in this segment. Based on this, I'm...

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Exactly - only the professional stocks are Alaris. Though I checked Kodak Alaris' website today, and they still have Ultramax 400 and Gold 200 listed. Maybe clearing out their last stocks? My question as well. Might be that the new owners want Alaris to focus on the scanner business. That said...
  25. flavio81

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Oh my god! So... "goodbye Alaris" then...

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Interesting turn of events - Gold 200 and Ultramax 400 are now listed on the EK website, complete with the new EK style packaging, in both 35mm and 120 (for Gold): https://www.kodak.com/en/still-film/product/gold-200-film/ https://www.kodak.com/en/still-film/product/ultramax-400-film/ I wonder...
  27. MattKing

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    Kodax XTOL datasheet: Increased CI without increase in development time. How?

    FWIW, from the most recent Kodak Alaris datasheet for T-Max 400: Along with:
  28. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    Maybe Alaris is getting a royalty for each roll sold directly by Eastman. I suspect the new owners of Alaris are talking more to Eastman than the old ones who were only concerned about Alaris's retirees' pensions.
  29. MattKing

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    Kodak films direct from Eastman Kodak (was: Kodacolor 100. New)

    ...And in the case of Kodak, the other potential source of variability is the arrangements between Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris. There may, for example, be an agreement between Eastman Kodak and Kodak Alaris that expands what Eastman Kodak can sell directly, provided that the product sold...

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    X-TOL, Microphen, or Acufine for long shelf life pushing developers?

    There's no practical difference regarding how the film is developped. It's a better product because it come as 1L package (5L too), for now it's reliable and consistent (unlike Kodak chemistries..), and the captura thing is on paper better for our lungs.
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