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  1. MattKing

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    Kodak to Raise Prices on 135?

    They read identical to me - adjusting for the fact that they use different units on the horizontal axis. I note as well that the older, Kodak Alaris datasheet refers to Daylight exposure, while the Kodak Motion Picture Datasheet refers to tungsten illumination filtered to 5500K - which may or...
  2. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak to Raise Prices on 135?

    Aren't there 2 distributors with Kodak? Don't others have just one?
  3. MattKing

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    Kodak to Raise Prices on 135?

    No - other film companies just have to worry about shareholder profits. Wait - that is what concerns Kodak Alaris as well! Eastman Kodak have almost no marketing and distribution costs in relation to still film. Marketing and distribution costs form a significant part of the costs of every film...
  4. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak to Raise Prices on 135?

    Eastman Kodak the manufacturer mark-up their film to Alaris who marks it to the distributors who mark it up to the retailers who mark it up to the final buyers. There are too many middlemen, too many markups, more than other film companies. I believe Alaris is the main culprit as they raise...
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    First roll of Harman Phoenix photos up!

    ...In the last years we've had growth rates in certain market segments of 30-40% p.a.. That has meanwhile slowed down, especially due to Kodak Alaris' pricing policy. Whether we can exploit the full market potential in the future is dependent on the behaviour of the market players: Reasonable...
  6. Sirius Glass

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    Kodak to Raise Prices on 135?

    Hence a possible disconnect with the Kodak Alaris sell price and the price one might find in the market.
  7. MattKing

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    Kodak to Raise Prices on 135?

    Kodak Alaris doesn't sell to retailers. They sell only to local distributors.
  8. eli griggs

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    Kodak to Raise Prices on 135?

    I just read a second announcement that it's Kodak Alaris that's cutting colour 120 film prices to retailers by up to 35%, 'hoping the cuts will be passed on to consumers'. This article/announcement did not deal with actual sales columns,IIRC
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    Kodak-branded chemicals - official news (they are returning)

    When Kodak Alaris sold its photochemical division to sinopromise, Kodak's factory in China was also sold to sinopromise. Therefore, the predecessor of sinopromise's factory was the Kodak Chemicals China Factory, and the personnel, assets and equipment were all retained by sinopromise.
  10. MattKing

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    Kodak-branded chemicals - official news (they are returning)

    Eastman Kodak retained ownership of the rights all the way through the Kodak Alaris and Sino Promise years - they just licensed them exclusively, and presumably agreed not to compete. The problem with old vs. new HC-110 isn't one of licensing - it is difficulty of manufacture (of the old stuff)...
  11. brbo

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    Harman Photo cryptic announcement/teaser

    There are many films in that price bracket (around 15 EUR). If Harman would compete with already perfect(ly boring) Fuji 200/Gold 200/ColorPlus 200 they would have to price Phoenix 200 below their cheapest Ilford BW film. How realistic do you think that is at the moment? I mean they would have...
  12. Scott J.

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    Kodak-branded chemicals - official news (they are returning)

    ...entity actually owns/owned the patents on Kodak photochemistry? Are such patents still in force, or have they expired? I believe it was Kodak Alaris that sold the photochemicals division to Sino Promise. Does that necessarily mean that Kodak Alaris owned the patents? And for that matter, was...
  13. Agulliver

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    Harman Photo cryptic announcement/teaser

    My local camera shop, which still struggles to obtain enough colour film from their supplier, knows nothing about this. So they are not among those getting any, I assume. I know them sufficiently well that I'm sure they wouldn't tell me any details, but would let me know they were in the know...
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    Harman Photo cryptic announcement/teaser

    ...think many of the 120 films are also on acetate base. Unless they have changed it without updating the technical data publications. And Kodak Alaris, frustratingly, does not always put the base specification in the technical data publications. But they have started putting some of the 120...
  15. Sirius Glass

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    Kodak-branded chemicals - official news (they are returning)

    Great news indeed. Thank you.
  16. brbo

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    Have you read the article linked in OP? There you have a reseller (Nordfoto) that SilverGrain talked to and they have all the films (+ shortdated Ektar) that got discounted by Alaris for sale at discount prices (pretty much same discounts that were stated by Alaris' Andy Church).
  17. cmacd123

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    Kodak-branded chemicals - official news (they are returning)

    ...in Health and safety) it seems that Photo Systems was/is the source of the Legacy Pro L110. (which is what I have been using as B&H will ship that to Canada, But not Kodak Brand HC-110.) Perhaps with the new license direct from Eastman Kodak, (NOT Kodak Alaris) they can produce the Syrup...
  18. MattKing

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    Kodak-branded chemicals - official news (they are returning)

    ...may have shared defective packaging, which may have been single sourced. A lot of the change was motivated by the problems with Tetenal. Kodak Alaris was trying to centralize production to the USA, not least because that is where the largest retail market is for Kodak branded black and white...
  19. analogwisdom

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    Kodak-branded chemicals - official news (they are returning)

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't the case? The images of the bad Xtol in that thread say made in Germany, and images for the "Brown" Dektol also say Made in Germany.
  20. runswithsizzers

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    Kodak-branded chemicals - official news (they are returning)

    And was it Photo Systems who made the bad batches of Xtol for Kodak Alaris as discussed in this (long) thread? Kodak XTOL trade concern announcment
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    Kodak-branded chemicals - official news (they are returning)

    ...exit the business in early 2023 2. Photo Systems Inc. (U.S.), which had been manufacturing the chemicals for Sino Promise - and for Kodak Alaris before the 2020 sale of that business to Sino Promise, has now secured the worldwide license from Eastman Kodak enabling them to both manufacture...
  22. Agulliver

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    It may be notable that Color Plus, the "budget" C41 film...still experiences issues in supply not meeting demand. If "a new supplier" is able to offer a similar product, that could free up Kodak to concentrate more on gold, Ultramax and the pro films which will further stabilise supply and...
  23. Agulliver

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    We must remember that it is Kodak-Alaris which actually sells to the bigger photographic dealers and to the distributors, who then sell to smaller shops. Everyone you and I buy Kodak still film from relies on whatever price K-A sets. If product availability and manufacturing costs have finally...
  24. MattKing

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    Kodak Alaris has as much or more role in the price paid by consumers as EK does. What they do costs as much or more as what EK does.
  25. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    Who knows what's really going on? In this case, we have a guy at Alaris who doesn't really know what's going on at Eastman making claims. It;s true that greater demand usually causes prices to go up. But manufacturers also lower prices to increase demand. Do we really know how much Eastman...
  26. brbo

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    ...just need to believe that Eastman Kodak has Alaris squeezed on a 0,5% margin although that is backed by absolutely nothing (data or even common sense). So, here we are, Kodak Alaris earning nothing on Kodak film can drop their price by 35% and 120 film was flying off the shelves at those...
  27. Alan Edward Klein

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    In general I agree that greater demand raises prices. However, it's possible that with greater demand, the price to manufacturer can go down substantially and those savings can be passed along. Kodak's prices are generally higher than their competitors. Surely, they're aware of that. If...
  28. brbo

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    Agree. It wouldn't be wise for Harman to go to price war with Alaris. I think they have a pretty good idea of the current margins Alaris is bagging in. Imagine Alaris doing the same price cut for 135 Gold 200 that they did to 120. If Harman would then be aiming at offering even a modest 15%...
  29. Anon Ymous

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    I have no reason to believe that Mr Church isn't a fine guy, but his position dictates what he'll say. I mean, would you expect him to say something like, "you'll pay through the nose suckers!"? 🙃 They definitely have no reason to let them know. A leak is possible, but not part of a plan.
  30. brbo

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    Kodak price cut on 120 film

    If you haven't got much time, then lets focus on what I said instead of repeating what has been said hundreds of times before (when it was true). 1. I don't believe that supply/demand laws work differently for Alaris. Btw, this is thread about 120 film. There hasn't been a problem with...
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