Thanks guys, this FSA toner is realy fun, it enhances contrast nicely, and indeed the chiseled stone work and the fresco paintings realy pop out compaired to the un toned version. If you bleach completely you gain more than a stop in contrast, and it gets over the top easily, or you take it in account when printing. I used partial bleaching with the copper bleach and you get nice split tones ranging from deep black through chestnut mid tones and stale blue grey high lights, not suited for everything, but it worked here I guess.