Lots of experimenting going on here. I use the chamois 542 paper and made an 8x10 print, then bleach/sepia, then selenium. This is a real adventure. I like the color and grain of the bleach alone, and then it seems that the toner smoothes out the grain. Getting the right combo is a real challenge. This paper is wonderful and a real sad day when it was discontinued. If anyone knows of a replacement with the same texture, I'd be much obliged. The texture is just right for a 16x20 print.