waterfall 2

Better sky but at the slight expense of brightness and punchiness. I don't think the sky adds very much. If it were cropped then I'd definitely go with the brighter of the two.

However canvas 100 viewers and I wouldn't be surprised if it was close to a 50:50 split

That's really beautiful! Shorter exposure for more contrast?
- Thomas

hi thanks for the comments reading tim rudmans book if i am reading it right ,shorter exposure and longer dev time increases contrast i am going to get some more developer and experiment abit more i have some kentmere kentona to try as well to see the differences in papers

Hi,
the Kentona to me produces some slightly greenish tones. The paper looks really intense in lith, as well as standard black & white chemistry.
If you get a chance, try either Fotokemika Varycon, as well as Foma Fomatone VC (warmtone). They are both gorgeous lith printing papers. Also, if you can lay your hands on some Forte Polywarmtone, but good luck with that...
- Thomas

thanks for the help,they seem to be still selling forte polywarmtone at freestyle is that the same ,i just got a box of agfa mcc111 from them last week