I dropped in to a camera shop the other day and noticed that they had a sampling of Ilford papers and off to the side there was a dusty stack of 4 100sh boxes of Forte Fortezo G4. I talked the owner into 1/2 price and told him if it lithed I'd get the rest @ $45.00 a box. I think I'l go get those last boxes. The colors of the lith prints I think is great. Deep blacks and dark chocolate browns with lavender , peach, and yellow in the high values. I hoped it'd show in this print scan but ..... I also tried LD20 lith here butwill go back to Moersch SE5 Lith because the SE seems more stable -last longer ...