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expired film group

expired slide advice/ experience

#1
Hi. I just joined this group after a suggestion from a similar forum I posted, and here's what I'm in general wondering:

I've successfully shot four roles (following the same principle of expired color- 1 stop over per decade), but I've been hearing first hand some conflicting exposures for them.

first my idea: I got a lot of 2 Ektachrome 100s, expired 1992, I used one at ASA 16, and it turned out (I'd show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to compress my scans enough for this site)

Second: I've been told I should under expose expired slide film- but at the same time I've been told that's a bad idea.

Third: I have a Velvia 50, expired 2006 that I've been told will work with either ASA 50 or 25.

So, what are your advices/ experiences with using expired slide film?

Also, Here's my complete expired stash (I have yet to actually try fresh slide, though I may look into the return of ektachrome).
1- the above mentioned velvia 50 (220)
2- a 1992 expired ektachrome 100 (220), and I can say metering at 16 will be fine
3- an ektachrome 100 I have no idea how old it is, though I'm assuming 20 years (135)
4- an ektachrome 64 expired 5-1985. (also, bought off ebay saying for display only, but I'm still going to try it). (120)

And...
I'll try to show you guys the results (or you can go find my forum) this weekend, and I hope to eventually show you all some of the expired negative films I've used.
 
#2
My experience with expired slide film is that you do NOT give as much exposure as you do with negative film either colour or B&W. Usually what happens with Slide Film is that as the Fog Level rises, on processing the D-Max is lower that's all -- you c an still scan them well but they would not project as well -- the 'blacks' will be lower. I have outdated Velvia 1999 and find 32 ASA is good and if over water on sunny condition an 81A Warm Up filter is needed as results get 'blue'
Outdated 35mm VELVIA rated 32 ASA
Phils 2015: Siesta Time! by Peter Elgar, on Flickr
2003 Dated VELVIA 120 rated 32 ASA

C220 : London Bus by Peter Elgar, on Flickr
Expired 220 size Kodak Ekatchrome 200 rated 160 ASA
Colchester ( Essex) Filipino Festival 2016 by Peter Elgar, on Flickr
 
#3
My experience with expired slide film is that you do NOT give as much exposure as you do with negative film either colour or B&W. Usually what happens with Slide Film is that as the Fog Level rises, on processing the D-Max is lower that's all -- you c an still scan them well but they would not project as well -- the 'blacks' will be lower. I have outdated Velvia 1999 and find 32 ASA is good and if over water on sunny condition an 81A Warm Up filter is needed as results get 'blue'
Outdated 35mm VELVIA rated 32 ASA
Phils 2015: Siesta Time! by Peter Elgar, on Flickr
2003 Dated VELVIA 120 rated 32 ASA

C220 : London Bus by Peter Elgar, on Flickr
Expired 220 size Kodak Ekatchrome 200 rated 160 ASA
Colchester ( Essex) Filipino Festival 2016 by Peter Elgar, on Flickr

Great colors on those shots.

So I've not shot my stash of slide yet but from what I've read when you shoot you should stay within the envelope of exposure latitude which it look like you did. E-6 has far less latitude than C-41. With C-41 I can over expose by 4+ stops and it's fine, this is what I tend to do with expired film. With slide you have 1+- stop either way, if over exposing you need to take a lighter touch, which you did. I'm not much concerned with getting perfect results. If I was I would shoot fresh film or digital.

This is Kodak Gold 200 that was way outdated and stored horribly. I exposed at about 25 ISO.

WICJELi.jpg


The issue I have getting into E-6 is I have enough for about one kit. I won't be able to learn from my mistakes like I did with C-41. Unless I build up a larger stash of E-6 I have one shot to get it right the first time, learning to use slide these days is a very expensive proposition. I'm comfortable with the latitude of C-41 and all sorts of B&W. My next challenge I guess is going to be slide.
 
#4
My experience with expired slide film is that you do NOT give as much exposure as you do with negative film either colour or B&W. Usually what happens with Slide Film is that as the Fog Level rises, on processing the D-Max is lower that's all -- you c an still scan them well but they would not project as well -- the 'blacks' will be lower. I have outdated Velvia 1999 and find 32 ASA is good and if over water on sunny condition an 81A Warm Up filter is needed as results get 'blue'
Outdated 35mm VELVIA rated 32 ASA

So, do you have an in general rule for slides? For example- one stop per 15 years, or something like that?
 
#5
Also, samples of my medium format slides are now in the group photos, and I'll try to get my one 35mm sample posted this week, and some negative samples sometime later.
 
#6
yes -- I had a look at your Medium Format photos there. Thanks for joining in the discussion.
 
#8
"slide film" isn't a generic, nor is Fuji. Velvia is far more critical than other E6.
 
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