Which finish?

David speaks for me on this matter.

lee\c

 

Another vote for glossy paper dried matte.

 

I kinda like matte better than air-dried glossy but, as already stated, it depends. Right now, all I have in my darkroom is matte fiber paper and pearl surface RC.

 

I haven't graduated to FB yet but for RC it's matt every time i'm afraid.

 

The pearl surface Ilford MG IV RC doesn't take much if any color from selenium but the toner does remove the slightly green tint in the paper. I honestly never noticed this green tint until I compared untoned prints to selenium toned ones. The pearl Ilford WT RC tones beautifully at whatever dilution you want. It's like a well-trained puppy in selenium--it sits up, rolls over, speaks and does anything to please you. Virtually the same as the glossy fiber. Both the WT fiber and RC also look gorgeous in Nelson gold toner but it's a labor intensive toner that's used hot.

I recently bought a lot of other brands of fiber paper to try out (all matte or semi-matte). I'm hoping to get some quality darkroom time over the next month or so and do a little experiementation with the Nelson gold and selenium.

 

Anything on RC does not come anywhere near what fiber paper is. RC does not tone as effectively. Beyond the toning considerations, the blacks do not exhibit the dmax of fiber (as substantiated by densitometric evaluation).

In my estimation RC is for throw away work. Personally, I print everything that I print on glossy air dried paper...that means work prints and fine prints. The enlarging papers that I favor are Seagull graded (slightly better dmax then VC) and VC for neutral toned and Forte (JandC Classic) for warm toned images. For contact printing I do Azo.

 

Glossy seems to have more depth to the blacks for me- maybe this is just an optical illusion? OTOH, too much gloss can be a bad thing- I guess it depends on the subject matter.

Strange but true confession:

I also sometimes use carnuba wax on matte prints- I have gotten several positive compliments on the resulting surface- but it is a lot of work, and may not be archival? Anyone else ever tried waxing or am I a real weirdo on this one?

 

I find that David Goldfarb speaks for most of us on most things...

besides wax, people also use oil or varnish to "finish" matte paper. Does anyone know more about how you would do this?

 

I usually use glossy for landscape work since it is more revealing. For portrait work, I prefer matte. It feels like cotton and looks like a painting.

 

I prefer pearl, I have been using RC. I do have a box of glossy that I've been using, only because it was given to me free. I also have some matte FB and I want to get some more FB, not sure what I will try first. How does drying FB differently change the finish? I wasn't aware of that. I don't have a dryer so anything would be air dried.

 

I've been using the Pearl RC as well and prefer it over glossy for rc. I've been using KRST 1:5 for 4-5 mins and it seems to tone ok for me. But what do I know I'm a newb . Ymmv,

Mike

 

TP,

If you're on the fence why not keep both papers around? That way you can choose the finish that best matches the photograph.

Cheers,

James

 

Tony,
I prefer FB glossy, air dried for my important images. For non-important stuff, I use MG IV Pearl.
I have played around with MG FB Warmtone (glossy) and like it very much. I like having the choice between those two papers.
$0.02 deposited.

gene

 

Matt works well for handcoloring as the dmax is less and it has some tooth.

Other than that I would neither use that surface nor RC. Basically , I use graded fiber glossy papers. Finish prints are always toned. Finished means ready for the wall or for the buyer.

 

I just like the look and feel of the matt paper better. I've used Jessops matt and Ilford pearl as well as the gloss from both these companies and, like i said, matt every time. I find the image harder to focus on with gloss because of the additional reflection and i also think you lose some detail and grain, especially when shooting faster film.

Just my opinion of course.

 

Air dried glossy 95% of the time. Far greater depth for landscapes, which IMHO is essential. I use matt for some portraits. I dont feel Matt has that 'walk in' feel.

Tom

 

When I was taking photo classes back in college I grew a strong distaste for Glossy RC. I never liked the way it felt, and it annoyed me to no end during critiques since I could never seem to find a position to look at them without having a glare obscuring half the image. So I ended up working with pearl and semi-matte for RC which I like.

When I started doing Fiber work I went strait to matte because of the bad taste the glossy rc left me. But last night I made my first Glossy Fiber prints, and damn, I like them. Glossy on fiber seems to be a much different beast then glossy on RC.