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Ukrainian company officials say that they are already making a negative color film.
- Maybe they are honest. why not .
- According to what I received from previous information.
Ukrainian company, requires large orders to make manufacturing becomes economical for them to achieve fair profits.
What is the problem now?
Let us assume that Mr. Dimitri is an honest man.
- Can the photrio community support this factory and make a group purchase order for all members (for the sake of trying and testing this film), why not.
This is the list of prices sent by Mr. Dimitri.
He previously told me that this product is aerial photography but he is successful in amateur art photography.
I hope that you all contact Mr. Dimitri for motivation and discussion in this matter and whoever wishes to ask him for paid samples let him do.
Perhaps if this film was produced it might be a success.
- The film is from the legacy of Savema which was driven by (ORWO) technology,
I suspect that there is hope for a cheap and good movie. why not ?
Let us cooperate
 

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The difficulty is double, with great regret.
It is not available, and because it is not available, it is expensive.

In Egypt availability of Kodak colour film was not always a problem. I was on a Nile cruise in I think 2001 and I was able to buy Kodak colour film from a seller on the river bank by Luxor. In comparison with prices in the U.K. in 2001 it was cheap but I accept that it might have been not so cheap to an Egyptian as wages were lower in Egypt but there was plenty of Kodak film on the seller's stall and on other sellers' stalls

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In Egypt availability of Kodak colour film was not always a problem. I was on a Nile cruise in I think 2001 and I was able to buy Kodak colour film from a seller on the river bank by Luxor. In comparison with prices in the U.K. in 2001 it was cheap but I accept that it might have been not so cheap to an Egyptian as wages were lower in Egypt but there was plenty of Kodak film on the seller's stall and on other sellers' stalls

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Yes my dear brother?
Getting drugs in Egypt is easier and cheaper than getting a Kodak film.
- The proportion of poor members of photrio society is never a small one, so I suggested that we all write to (www.astrum-ltd.com). This small, submerged company may have the magic solution that all poor amateurs seek. why not .
 
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Ukrainian company officials say that they are already making a negative color film.
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Ukrainian company, requires large orders to make manufacturing becomes economical for them to achieve fair profits.
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Let us cooperate

Mohmad,

Freestyle is now selling some of Astrum's B&W films. You might want to check with them if they have any plans of making Astrum's colour films available.

https://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?q=astrum
 

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Freestyle is now selling some of Astrum's B&W films. You might want to check with them if they have any plans of making Astrum's colour films available.
What Astrum colour films? They do not make colour films in the meaning of coating them.
They sell those rebranded film at higher price than I can buy regular film at the local drugstore.
As you can read in this thread Astrum are out of stock of any colour film anyway.
 
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What Astrum colour films? They do not make colour films in the meaning of coating them.
They sell those rebranded film at higher price than I can buy regular film at the local drugstore.
As you can read in this thread Astrum are out of stock of any colour film anyway.

Relax. Nobody claimed that Astrum coats colour film. Mohmad has had some conversation with Astrum (post #28) and asked if photrio members as a group can purchase colour film from Astrum to make it viable for them. My response to him is to be read in that context. I understand that people are stressed out due to covid-19 scare, but don't make me the target for your ire. :smile: Over and out.
 
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What Astrum colour films? They do not make colour films in the meaning of coating them.
They sell those rebranded film at higher price than I can buy regular film at the local drugstore.
As you can read in this thread Astrum are out of stock of any colour film anyway.
How did you know that information?
Have you ever used this color film for them?
Have you ever made a field visit to this factory and examined the production lines well until you realized it was a refill and not a complete manufacture?
Perhaps you made visits to all the factories of the world, but you certainly did not visit this submerged factory.
- Yes, their prices are really high, and this is due to the fact that their operating costs are high and the volume of demand is low because it is an immersed product and this is normal, if the volume of demand increases, inevitably the operating costs will decrease and thus the price can decrease.

- If you carefully read the discussion carefully, you will know that I said that the information received from the sales official is that this color is a film that is originally a color-coded emulsion (Svema) for aerial photography, and it basically needs to be treated in another way (I do not remember its name) Of course, it is not the process (C41), but this emulsion accepts treatment using (C41), but the results will not be at the required quality level, it is very similar to the film intended for process treatment (ECN2) can be treated with process (C41) but in order to get better The results should be processed according to the client (ECN2).
- The film is available for sale according to the price offer that I received from the company and I have attached it to the previous comments, which is basically (Svema) which is based on (ORWO) recipe.

Why do you, man, always consider yourself the only man in the world who possesses the ultimate truth (regarding the world of photography) and nobody can know about any information that you do not already have? .
Relax a little and take a deep breath.
I will definitely get this movie someday and I will prove to you that it is an air Svema film that may be suitable for artistic photography.
- The sales manager has promised me that the production of this film will return after the isolation period has passed.
 

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- If you carefully read the discussion carefully, you will know that I said that the information received from the sales official is that this color is a film that is originally a color-coded emulsion (Svema) for aerial photography, and it basically needs to be treated in another way
- The film is available for sale according to the price offer that I received from the company and I have attached it to the previous comments, which is basically (Svema) which is based on (ORWO) recipe.

Why do you, man, always consider yourself the only man in the world who possesses the ultimate truth (regarding the world of photography) and nobody can know about any information that you do not already have? .
Relax a little and take a deep breath.
I will definitely get this movie someday and I will prove to you that it is an air Svema film that may be suitable for artistic photography.
- The sales manager has promised me that the production of this film will return after the isolation period has passed.


No, I do not take a breath, but instead ask:
Where do Astrum state that they are offering colour films coated by Svema based on Orwo formula?


By the way, do not always be so bold.
 
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No, I do not take a breath, but instead ask:
Where do Astrum state that they are offering colour films coated by Svema based on Orwo formula?


By the way, do not always be so bold.
There are two sources who say that.
The first source is Mr. Dmitry himself, who is the company's sales manager. You can contact him and talk to him about this and he will tell you the truth about this emulsion.
The second source is history.
- If you are unaware of Astrum's history, and do not know that it is the natural extension of the brand (Svema), this is your problem. You should pay attention to reading on the historical side of companies.
- It is known that the brand (Savema) was almost completely dependent on formulas and technology (ORWO) which is the second part of the experimental mark (AGFA), and there are other companies in Eastern Europe that were totally dependent on formulas (ORWO) such as the Czech company Foma had experiments in the production of Fomachrome in the late 1960s, as well as the Hungarian company Forte. And another Yugoslav company I do not remember the exact name because even Ferrania was among those that are sponsored by (ORWO). Even the Chinese company (LUCKY) is also founded by experts from (ORWO),
All those companies were treasuring warehouse treasures (ORWO), what is the problem here?
 
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I contacted our Forum colleague Mr. Vova Matveev

This man is a Ukrainian, and he is one of the most important experts in photography, especially development.
I spoke to him months ago about inquiring about the Svema plant and he called Mr. Dmitry, the company's sales manager.
Conclusion :
- Mr. Dimitri said that they are actually making a movie (Svema) under the name (Astrum). It is manufactured by order and there are no merchandise present.
The film needs processing (AN6) and I actually don't know anything about that process accurately.
The Ukrainian colleague was unable to go to this factory because he is very far away and it is necessary to take the train for about 6 hours, and this is impossible because it requires obtaining leave from work to spend the day on the way (back and forth), and the Ukrainian colleague cannot stop His works for a whole day due to the pressures of life, family burdens, etc.
- The dialogue ended on a promise that the manager of the factory said that he promises to be ready to manufacture large quantities of this (film), if there is an official request from an official authority, and the cost will be lower in the case of large quantities.
A: It sounds logical, but it causes a lot of confusion as well.
 

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..., this is your problem. You should pay attention to reading on the historical side of companies.


All those companies were treasuring warehouse treasures (ORWO), what is the problem here?

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The film needs processing (AN6) and I actually don't know anything about that process accurately.


You forgot that it was me who educated you last year in another thread of yours what AN-6 stands for. You also forgot that the AN-6 process would not work with films of the Agfacolor/Orwocolor type.
 

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mohmad. Have a look at a company called Morco Photographic It is based in the U.K. and sells Fuji C200 colour neg film 36 exposure for £3 sterling but any orders for an overseas territory such as Egypt is free of Value Added Tax so the price drops to £2.40 per roll. If your order was large you might negotiate a further reduction.

I had a look at your price list in your post #32 but could not be sure if the Morco price matches Astrum prices? I can certainly say that Morco is a very reliable company to do business with

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You forgot that it was me who educated you last year in another thread of yours what AN-6 stands for. You also forgot that the AN-6 process would not work with films of the Agfacolor/Orwocolor type.
what are you talking about ?
What did you teach me? I do not remember that I obtained from you information that has an impressive scientific value.
If you taught me anything, do I owe you?
I don't remember anything you were talking about ,,
But according to what I know, if I contribute to anyone's education any new information, I will not write that in the daily newspapers until people work that I am a man of great knowledge and I kindly and know some people some information.
- I don’t know why you are trying me words and facts.
I have not mentioned in all of my posts the word (Agfacolor / Orwocolor), these are totally different processes from what I am talking about,
The company (ORWO) is an ancient company, and it manufactured all types of photography, including aerial photography. Aerial photography has its own process and has its own emulsion and the story is far from (Agfacolor / Orwocolor)
By pure coincidence, OWRO's aerial photography products, and by extension her daughter (Svema), were compatible with the process (AN6). I really don't know whether this compatibility was done through harmonies and mutual agreements between companies in this ancient time or was it just accidental .
- What concerns me is that the film about which the Ukrainian company is talking about is accepting treatment according to process (AN6), it also accepts treatment according to process (C41), and there is an attached table sent to me by Mr. Dimitri explaining the matter
This is according to what Mr. Dmitry, the sales manager, told me, which I would like to punch on, as he is living happy in his home, and I am here facing this terrible war because I dared say that there is a possibility to manufacture a negative color film by a third company.

You don't know anything about oriental formulas and recipes.
There are some colleagues, including the Ukrainian colleague, who still uses the old Agfa formula (Cns) that depends on the developer (Tss), which is a unique developer and is somewhat similar to (CD1), and if you see the results of this developer you will be amazed .
I have attached the details of the Ukrainian company, which is not a secret company, and anyone can contact Mr. Dmitry and inquire about him about this.
 

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mohmad. Have a look at a company called Morco Photographic It is based in the U.K. and sells Fuji C200 colour neg film 36 exposure for £3 sterling but any orders for an overseas territory such as Egypt is free of Value Added Tax so the price drops to £2.40 per roll. If your order was large you might negotiate a further reduction.

I had a look at your price list in your post #32 but could not be sure if the Morco price matches Astrum prices? I can certainly say that Morco is a very reliable company to do business with

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This is really very excellent information, God bless you ..
Indeed, this is a very encouraging starting price and further discounts can also be negotiated. God bless you .
Can you send this store link ,,
thank you so much.
 

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What are you talking about ?
I don't remember anything you were talking about
You don't know anything about oriental formulas and recipes

Why do you, man, always consider yourself the only man in the world who possesses the ultimate truth (regarding the world of photography)

You should pay attention to reading on the historical side of companies.

Mohmad,
All your postings show that you lack the most basic knowledge on photographic technologies.
What you well know is a heap of morsels of information that you form together to a heap of nonsense.
You do not even bother to read up your own threads from the past when being hinted at.

Repeatedly you mix up emulsion technologies.
Here in this very thread you say that Astrum is offering a colour fillm made from Svema emulsion based on Orwo formula for process AN-6. There never was such Svema film.

To stay with your claims: at very best there would be an entity in the Ukraine that has the very latest Orwo formula (Ektachrome-principle) in hand. But who then with a "Svema legacy" as you say would make that emulsion and coat it? In times when established manufacturers cancelled their colour film manufacture.
And why then stated your source in a mail you presented us to have import difficulties?

I do not want to belittle the offerings from Astrum. In certain cases they are unique. But in all cases one must question what one is going to get beyond the nice names the fims got.
 
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For the last years there have been the following film manufacturers being active in colour film emulsion production and colour film coating:
- Eastman Kodak
- Fujifilm
- Polaroid Originals (including their daugther company Inovisproject which is producing the colour negative film base for the Polaroid films)
- InovisCoat.

Period. That's it. All other offers from different suppliers are either re-labelled films from the manufacturers above, or old expired, discontinued former films.

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Mohmad,
All your postings show that you lack the most basic knowledge on photographic technologies.
What you well know is a heap of morsels of information that you form together to a heap of nonsense.
You do not even bother to read up your own threads from the past when being hinted at.

Repeatedly you mix up emulsion technologies.
Here in this very thread you say that Astrum is offering a colour fillm made from Svema emulsion based on Orwo formula for process AN-6. There never was such Svema film.

To stay with your claims: at very best there would be an entity in the Ukraine that has the very latest Orwo formula (Ektachrome-principle) in hand. But who then with a "Svema legacy" as you say would make that emulsion and coat it? In times when established manufacturers cancelled their colour film manufacture.
And why then stated your source in a mail you presented us to have import difficulties?

I do not want to belittle the offerings from Astrum. In certain cases they are unique. But in all cases one must question what one is going to get beyond the nice names the fims got.
I do not claim to be an international expert.
I am just a simple man.
- But I disagree with you, I do not say any nonsense.
- From science historically, that color photography actually began in Germany and a few months later Kodak presented its own color photography.
- The Second World War broke out, and Germany was occupied and divided into two parts. Scientists and experts split with it and devices and equipment were divided.
- The eastern part of the Soviet Union, later called itself "ORWO".
Communist philosophy requires that patents be shared with all who believe in or even sympathetic to communist thought.
- Therefore, the patents owned by (ORWO) were transferred, and they were transferred to (Ferrania) first, and from there to Fuji and Konica, and this happened, perhaps in return for money.
- On the eastern side, there are factories such as (Tesma) in Russia, and (Svema) in Ukraine are white and black factories, and production lines were built to manufacture the color film, which depends on the patents of the ORWO company under The predominance of communist thought that advocates the idea of the spread of knowledge and the spread of ideas and inventions.
After that, factories were built in other countries (based on ORWO patents).
Svema plant in Ukraine was mainly making all types of films, including aerial films.
When the analog photography was finished, the factory management found that the only category still receiving some popularity was aerial photography.
Most of the production lines were closed, except for the Air Film Production Line.
- After that, the factory was partially sold to an investor with the largest share, and the government sold the rest of the factory's lands and these lands were loaded into a residential project.
The company name has been changed from Savema to Astrum, and it still maintains the legacy documents and formats (Savema), manufactures air films and is committed to supplying these types to some governments. There are long-term contracts concluded for decades.
The investor bought part of the factory and with this part he bought some permanent customers.
Almost all African countries are committed to long-term contracts with this plant.
When the need for analog photography films started again, amateurs began corresponding with the sales department of this factory.
The sales department is confused, not knowing what to say.
The manufacturer no longer has the capacity to fill in films (35-36 images). Aerial photography does not depend on the use of these cartridges.
- Under pressure from the amateur photographers, the researchers at this factory began to re-research this matter, until they found a way to fill these films in cartridges.

Of course, your problem is that you do not want to admit that Astrum is still actually capable of producing a negative color film.
Whether or not you confess will not change anything.
This will become a fait accompli, whether you agree or disagree.
- It is only a matter of time.

But I ask God to give me the magic lantern that makes me able to travel to you in a jiffy so that I can observe the features of your face and your reaction when you see this negative color film and watch its results.
I don’t know what your situation will be?
- I am ready to sell everything I own in order to watch your reaction and the shock fill your face and eyes, (on the ground) I want the real scene and not a video or picture, you and everyone who shares your views and destructive thoughts.
- Your situation will be very embarrassing ,,
To fight all this war in order to sow despair and frustration.
 

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- Polaroid Originals (including their daugther company Inovisproject which is producing the colour negative film base for the Polaroid films)
- InovisCoat.
(sorry derailing the thread out of curiosity) Are Inovisproject and Inoviscoat related? I thought the negative film for impossible/polaroid was made by them!
 

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Astrum is simply a supplier. They may respool and repack, but they have no capability to manufacture any emulsion, black and white or color. Some of their b&w emulsions require a little detective work to track down as far origin, but most can be traced back to Tasma. Film Photography Project has muddied the waters a bit in the U.S. with their 'Svema Lives!' campaign that gives the impression there is a healthy factory tucked-away somewhere in the Ukraine happily churning out b&w and color negative film, which is certainly not the case. As for Svema 125, the C41 color negative film FFP sells, that's a bit more of a mystery. I believe the overall consensus is that it's one of the Kodak Aero films. In any event, it's not manufactured by Astrum/Svema. So, no Mohmad, again unfortunately it's true...Astrum does not have the capability to manufacture/coat any of its own emulsions/film, b&w or color.
 
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Astrum is simply a supplier. They may respool and repack, but they have no capability to manufacture any emulsion, black and white or color. Some of their b&w emulsions require a little detective work to track down as far origin, but most can be traced back to Tasma. Film Photography Project has muddied the waters a bit in the U.S. with their 'Svema Lives!' campaign that gives the impression there is a healthy factory tucked-away somewhere in the Ukraine happily churning out b&w and color negative film, which is certainly not the case. As for Svema 125, the C41 color negative film FFP sells, that's a bit more of a mystery. I believe the overall consensus is that it's one of the Kodak Aero films. In any event, it's not manufactured by Astrum/Svema. So, no Mohmad, again unfortunately it's true...Astrum does not have the capability to manufacture/coat any of its own emulsions/film, b&w or color.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrum

good evening dear .
The issue of spoiling drinking water, as far as I know, was solved in the parts that had been demolished at the factory.
I do not know exactly what is going on.
- It does not really concern me, whether the color is a negative film is the product of benefiting from their scientific and technological heritage, which was transmitted to them via (Svema), or that this film is mainly designed by (kodak).
All this does not concern me.
All I care about is that there is a negative color movie available for sale at Mr. Dimitri, but he wants to make a big deal in order to obtain economic feasibility.
According to the wiki, they already have a negative color film and this is fully consistent with what Mr. Dimitri said.
If it was up to me,
If I had money,
I would go by myself and kidnap this demetric, tied up and seated on a confessional.
Unfortunately, I am a simple man and do not possess any financial capabilities.
Let's wait and see what’s in Mr Dmitry’s quiver.
- If you are from Ukraine or Russia ,, I can send you this guy's mobile number to talk to him on the phone and clarify it yourself.
Perhaps there are some things that we are all ignorant of.
The whole world is waiting for the isolation period to end and for this epidemic to go.
 
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Astrum is simply a supplier. They may respool and repack, but they have no capability to manufacture any emulsion, black and white or color. Some of their b&w emulsions require a little detective work to track down as far origin, but most can be traced back to Tasma. Film Photography Project has muddied the waters a bit in the U.S. with their 'Svema Lives!' campaign that gives the impression there is a healthy factory tucked-away somewhere in the Ukraine happily churning out b&w and color negative film, which is certainly not the case. As for Svema 125, the C41 color negative film FFP sells, that's a bit more of a mystery. I believe the overall consensus is that it's one of the Kodak Aero films. In any event, it's not manufactured by Astrum/Svema. So, no Mohmad, again unfortunately it's true...Astrum does not have the capability to manufacture/coat any of its own emulsions/film, b&w or color.
I found these photos that Dimitri had sent me before.
 

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All the films in your photos, although Astrum repackaged them, are actually manufactured/coated by Tasma in Russia.
 
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