We want Any cheap color films not Kodak - Fuji

[mohmad khatab]

Fotoimpex (fotoimpex.de) ships for €35 world wide. At the moment Fujicolor C200 is not in stock unfortunatelly. But if you buy lets say 20 rolls this would cost you €85 including shipping.
This is €4,25 for a 36 roll. That is cheaper than the price listed bij Astrum.

Hi brother.
We were planning to buy at least 500 rolls. So negotiating with the seller about that quantity is very important.
Thank you for your sympathy for us.
Greetings

 

[Ernst-Jan]

Well, you can always give it a try. The CEO, Mirko, also posted sometimes on this forum.

 

[mohmad khatab]

Well, you can always give it a try. The CEO, Mirko, also posted sometimes on this forum.

The CEO Mr. Mirko is primarily a businessman.
I understand his position well and never blame him.
He has a lot of burdens and expenses and needs profits in order to face these huge expenses.
- Mirko, is a businessman and not the secretary of the charity.
He has certain limits to reducing prices and he cannot lower them
I understand all this. I don’t know what to say? And no> irrigate what should i do?
- I am ready to buy any expired stock or a stock that is about to expire from any brand whatsoever even if it was manufactured on Jupiter.
- If anyone has contact with Mr. Mirko, I hope he will inform him of this. Perhaps we can stimulate feelings about the issue as almost a largely human issue.

 

[YellowPangolin]

Hi brother.
We were planning to use the traditional cheap sea freight in order to reduce expenses, and we have one of the Egyptian photographic companies that are legally entitled to import photographic films (titanal agents in Egypt),
I don’t know if your quantity can be shipped by sea or not?
Please tell me your quantities and qualities so that we can think together about the most appropriate way to ship to Egypt.
Also, let's talk about pricing with private messages.
God bless you, my dear brother.
Thank you for your sympathy for us.
Greetings

I do not think I have enough supplies for ship mail. Isn't all mail ship mail? I just have a few spare rolls, and with Japan and America under lockdown getting to the post office is difficult, and getting more rolls is difficult enough.

We may be going through a film crunch very soon.

Sorry to get your hopes up

 

[mohmad khatab]

I do not think I have enough supplies for ship mail. Isn't all mail ship mail? I just have a few spare rolls, and with Japan and America under lockdown getting to the post office is difficult, and getting more rolls is difficult enough.

We may be going through a film crunch very soon.

Sorry to get your hopes up

It's okay, brother.
I understand your situation very well.
Don't worry - everything will be fine.
Accept my greetings .

 

[mohmad khatab]

Is there any possibility to order from Tasma?
I talked to Astrum, but what they offer is not really cheap and shipping is expensive. Maybe I have better luck with Tasma.

There will be sale and sale in Russian rubles only

 

[LeoniD]

Astrum is simply a supplier. They may respool and repack, but they have no capability to manufacture any emulsion, black and white or color.

They do have the capability. In 2020 they bought the entire Svema's magnetic tape coating facility. And now they are offering 'Coating services on various types of roll materials'. The interesting part is, obviously, that they stated 'various lighting conditions during the production process'. So they can coat film, at least bw

 

[LeoniD]

When the analog photography was finished, the factory management found that the only category still receiving some popularity was aerial photography.
Most of the production lines were closed, except for the Air Film Production Line.
- After that, the factory was partially sold to an investor with the largest share, and the government sold the rest of the factory's lands and these lands were loaded into a residential project.
The company name has been changed from Savema to Astrum, and it still maintains the legacy documents and formats (Savema), manufactures air films and is committed to supplying these types to some governments. There are long-term contracts concluded for decades.
The investor bought part of the factory and with this part he bought some permanent customers.
Almost all African countries are committed to long-term contracts with this plant.
When the need for analog photography films started again, amateurs began corresponding with the sales department of this factory.
The sales department is confused, not knowing what to say.
The manufacturer no longer has the capacity to fill in films (35-36 images). Aerial photography does not depend on the use of these cartridges.
- Under pressure from the amateur photographers, the researchers at this factory began to re-research this matter, until they found a way to fill these films in cartridges.

Of course, your problem is that you do not want to admit that Astrum is still actually capable of producing a negative color film.
Whether or not you confess will not change anything.
This will become a fait accompli, whether you agree or disagree.
- It is only a matter of time.

Not excactly right. Svema did coat technical and a very small amount of consumer films up until 2010s and the last magnetic tape coating run was in 2014, but Astrum is not Svema, even tho they own most of what is left of it, including the trademark. Astrum was founded in 1995, when Svema still was making color film (the latest DS-5m I've seen was made in 1995), by a small amount of Svema workers that understood that the new manager just wants to bankrupt the factory and sell the equipment for scrap. Unfortunately, they didn't manage to save film coating machines, not even BW. Apparently, archives of documentation were just recycled too, research worth hundreds of millions dollars was destroyed for a several hundred thousand hryvnias..
So, Astrum is not capable of coating color film, unfortunately. They just bought Kodak Aerocolor master-roll, cut and perforated it on Svema's equipment, that's it. Also, they didn't loose "the capacity to fill in films (35-36 images)". They bought presses and press molds for cans and cassettes, again, from Svema.

 

[AgX]

They do have the capability. In 2020 they bought the entire Svema's magnetic tape coating facility. And now they are offering 'Coating services on various types of roll materials'. The interesting part is, obviously, that they stated 'various lighting conditions during the production process'. So they can coat film, at least bw

Coating magnetic tape is different from coating photographic emulsion. Let alone making the respective emulsion.

The "various lighting conditions" hinted at, likely refer to light-induced polymerisation processes.

 

[mohmad khatab]

Not excactly right. Svema did coat technical and a very small amount of consumer films up until 2010s and the last magnetic tape coating run was in 2014, but Astrum is not Svema, even tho they own most of what is left of it, including the trademark. Astrum was founded in 1995, when Svema still was making color film (the latest DS-5m I've seen was made in 1995), by a small amount of Svema workers that understood that the new manager just wants to bankrupt the factory and sell the equipment for scrap. Unfortunately, they didn't manage to save film coating machines, not even BW. Apparently, archives of documentation were just recycled too, research worth hundreds of millions dollars was destroyed for a several hundred thousand hryvnias..
So, Astrum is not capable of coating color film, unfortunately. They just bought Kodak Aerocolor master-roll, cut and perforated it on Svema's equipment, that's it. Also, they didn't loose "the capacity to fill in films (35-36 images)". They bought presses and press molds for cans and cassettes, again, from Svema.

I read your letter and sadness fills my heart and tears are almost falling from my eyes, really
That company was a great castle of analogy and all these foolish, selfish actions on the part of greedy managers are shameful and deeply saddening.

 

[LeoniD]

Coating magnetic tape is different from coating photographic emulsion. Let alone making the respective emulsion.

The "various lighting conditions" hinted at, likely refer to light-induced polymerisation processes.

It is differrent, but not catastrophically. You'll have to make the emulsion, yes, but what would be the difference after that?

 

[AgX]

There are countless compounds that basically can be web-coated. These may vary by their viscosity, this necessitates dedicated coating apparatus. The may vary in the way they set. For instance by evaporation of solvent, by chilling, by polymerisation.
This is not the place to hold a lecture on coating technologies, but I think you get my point. There are countless web-coating facilities around the world, but only a handful dedicated (both machinery- and man-wise) on making and coating photographic emulsion.
Following your idea a lot of issues in "our" industry could easily be solved by making an emulsion and then offering it to let's say a selfadhesive tape manufacturer to make photographic film of it. To stay in the picture: in the ruined Svema premises actually sticky tape had been made.

 

[LeoniD]

There are countless compounds that basically can be web-coated. These may vary by their viscosity, this necessitates dedicated coating apparatus. The may vary in the way they set. For instance by evaporation of solvent, by chilling, by polymerisation.
This is not the place to hold a lecture on coating technologies, but I think you get my point. There are countless web-coating facilities around the world, but only a handful dedicated (both machinery- and man-wise) on making and coating photographic emulsion.
Following your idea a lot of issues in "our" industry could easily be solved by making an emulsion and then offering it to let's say a selfadhesive tape manufacturer to make photographic film of it. To stay in the picture: in the ruined Svema premises actually sticky tape had been made.

They do state that their coater is capable of different drying conditions and of coating water-based emulsions tho. There's a question about temperature of the emulsion while coating, but other than that, their coater should be able to coat a photographic emulsion.

 

[MattKing]

Assuming of course that they are set up to work in complete darkness.

 

[foc]

Assuming of course that they are set up to work in complete darkness.

Couldn't they do it at night???