Strange "worms" in TMY/HC110

s800 · May 20, 2009

Only had one roll turn out this way, and I've been doing this for awhile. Highlights/shadows/everything has this strange, repeating pattern.

300% view:

Thanks for any input. It's not grain.

Andrew Moxom · May 20, 2009

To me, that is reticulation I believe.... Did you change to a cooler stop, fixer, or water rinse after development

Anscojohn · May 20, 2009

I'm with Andrew and would guess reticulation from a rapid temp change.

erikg · May 20, 2009

Yes, another vote for reticulation. I've seen it happen, and I also saw a lot of it in school where I had a prof who did that deliberately as part of his work. Hard to do with modern films, but it still is possible.

glbeas · May 20, 2009

Interesting, the only times I've had reticulation was with HC110, never with any other developer. I wonder if there's anything in the formula that would promote this occurrence.

Ken N · May 20, 2009

I'd get this with HP5 in DD-X on occasion, but never with any other film in DD-X.

Christopher Walrath · May 20, 2009

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I have not had reticulation in over two years of use with HC110. Course I keep my temps dead on, 68F.

s800 · May 20, 2009

Interesting.. thanks for the input. I'm gonna chalk it up to not being careful enough with temperature then.

Anscojohn · May 20, 2009

s800 said:
Interesting.. thanks for the input. I'm gonna chalk it up to not being careful enough with temperature then.

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Henceforth, when this happens tell all and sundry you did it on purpose; that this is photographic art with a capital "A:" and that you be a photographic artiste!!

Mark Antony · May 20, 2009

I had an interesting chat with a Kodak engineer recently who pretty much stated that the gelatin used in T-max films was much harder than normal films so you could process them in any temp with no fear of reticulation and they were less temperature sensitive.
That said another vote for reticulation...

Jeff Kubach · May 20, 2009

You can use it for fishing!

Jeff

erikg · May 20, 2009

Anscojohn said:
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Henceforth, when this happens tell all and sundry you did it on purpose; that this is photographic art with a capital "A:" and that you be a photographic artiste!!

That sure describes my old prof, hoo boy!

Carter john · May 20, 2009

Mark Antony said:
I had an interesting chat with a Kodak engineer recently who pretty much stated that the gelatin used in T-max films was much harder than normal films so you could process them in any temp with no fear of reticulation and they were less temperature sensitive.
That said another vote for reticulation...

I vote reticulation too, but I would be surprised if the Kodak engineer said you could change the temperture greatly between the various fluids. I know that John Sexton develops at 75 degrees F; I'm not sure about TMY2. But he does it because he has trouble in the Summer getting his water temperature down to 68 degrees F.

archphoto · May 20, 2009

I had it with Tri-X many years back: Kodak asked me to send the bulk-rol back for a free replacement.
I kept it just for certain shots.

Peter

kodachrome64 · May 20, 2009

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Carter john said:
Mark Antony said:

I had an interesting chat with a Kodak engineer recently who pretty much stated that the gelatin used in T-max films was much harder than normal films so you could process them in any temp with no fear of reticulation and they were less temperature sensitive.
That said another vote for reticulation...

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I vote reticulation too, but I would be surprised if the Kodak engineer said you could change the temperture greatly between the various fluids. I know that John Sexton develops at 75 degrees F; I'm not sure about TMY2. But he does it because he has trouble in the Summer getting his water temperature down to 68 degrees F.

That in itself won't hurt TMY because TMY/TMAX Dev is recommended by Kodak at 75 degrees IIRC...

Anscojohn · May 20, 2009

erikg said:
That sure describes my old prof, hoo boy!

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At Rhode Island School of Design, perhaps? I swear, the photographic dinosaur in me makes me cringe at the ARTEESTES. A lot of it, methinks in my jaundiced O.F. view, is just being able to keep a straight face when slinging aft-end-male-bovine-detritus.
In a slightly different context, I recall an episode in college. I had spent time in the college darkroom printing some informal portraits of a good-looking female college friend.
I had a botched print which I had thrown in the trash bin. It continued to develop, fogged itself, and did a partial "solarization." For a reason I do not remember, I fixed it, washed it, dried it, and took it with me. Later, when showing the prints to my friend, she fell in love with the ruined print, had it matted and framed, and made me into a real artiste to everyone who saw the print. Go figure.

wogster · May 20, 2009

kodachrome64 said:
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That in itself won't hurt TMY because TMY/TMAX Dev is recommended by Kodak at 75 degrees IIRC...

It might if your developer is 75℉ and your stop is 55℉

Carter john · May 20, 2009

I guess I blew it from reading kodachrome64's post. I should have just said what you; wogster, said.

s800 · May 21, 2009

I'll print one of these and see what it looks like through the enlarger. Maybe it is art. ;-)

erikg · May 21, 2009

Anscojohn said:
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At Rhode Island School of Design, perhaps? I swear, the photographic dinosaur in me makes me cringe at the ARTEESTES. A lot of it, methinks in my jaundiced O.F. view, is just being able to keep a straight face when slinging aft-end-male-bovine-detritus.
In a slightly different context, I recall an episode in college. I had spent time in the college darkroom printing some informal portraits of a good-looking female college friend.
I had a botched print which I had thrown in the trash bin. It continued to develop, fogged itself, and did a partial "solarization." For a reason I do not remember, I fixed it, washed it, dried it, and took it with me. Later, when showing the prints to my friend, she fell in love with the ruined print, had it matted and framed, and made me into a real artiste to everyone who saw the print. Go figure.

Sounds like poetic justice of some sort!

This professor was from well before my time at RISD. He was somewhat well known for the reticulated look in the 70's. I won't embarrass him any further, his work does a pretty good job at that already.

Anscojohn · May 21, 2009

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This professor was from well before my time at RISD. He was somewhat well known for the reticulated look in the 70's. I won't embarrass him any further, his work does a pretty good job at that already.
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Think of the trouble he might have saved had he just invested about ten bucks in a set of the Paterson doohickeys available about that time. A photo arteeste printed through them to get such effects. Not random, of course, but there they were all over the .

pgomena · May 21, 2009

Definitely reticulation. I've ended up with the same "look" with Tri-X in PMK if my temperatures vary too much. Not a look I was trying to achieve at the time.

Peter Gomena

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