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:confused: He's in Norway and will only ship to USA???:rolleyes:
 
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:confused: He's in Norway and will only ship to USA???:rolleyes:

Ole,

I didn't even see that. :sad: :confused: I can not believe that he only ships to the US but who knows. Certainly would be worth a querry to the seller if one of our members in Norway or anywhere else in Europe would like the camera.

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Phillips makes a nice camera, I got to play with one for a while and did some screens up for them, good cameras.

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:confused: He's in Norway and will only ship to USA???:rolleyes:

Maybe he thinks he is the only 8x10 shooter in Norway? At least it isn't a USA seller shiping only to Norway.......But in that case, you'd be the sure winner.

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Dick Phillips is pretty much a one man band. He has slowed way down on his camera building so that he has more time to travel and shoot. He is still making 8x10's and will be making some more 4x5's next year. Generally his entire annual productionis spoken for by early January. If you are interested in one of his cameras the best way to reach him is by telephone, email works but he doesn't read it religiously. His phone is (989) 835-7897.

The particular camera on eBay is an Explorer which is a arigid back horizontal only camera.
 

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Alex,

If horizontal only is a put off, be aware that there are several Phillips 7x17 (including myself) and 11x14 Explorer owners on APUG who are quite comfortable flipping the camera up 90 degrees for a vertical shot. Dick's cameras are very strong, ridged and light.

If the selling price is reasonable shipping a camera across the pond isn't too bad. My Linhof Technikardan (about the same weight) was an eBay purchase that came from Scotland to Ohio by FedEx without problem. Total cost was less than many I have seen that were closer to home.

If really interested I would ask for pictures with more illumination. Can't see much in the dark.

On the other hand as Ted said, Dick Phillips is a gentleman and is always willing to help a customer sell a camera or a buyer find one, possibly closer to home.

John Powers
 
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If anyone is in the market for a lightweight 8 X 10, there is a Phillips 8 X 10 available on eBay. Camera and seller are in Oslo, Norway, but seller only has a 96% Positive feedback.

Below is the listing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/R-H-Phillips-so...ryZ15248QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Rich

Dick intends making more 8x10 Explorers next year - drop him a line and ask him how much he expects them to be. He makes a superb product. Be aware that the 8x10 Explorer has fairly limited bellows, but is unsurpassed for lightweight and corresponding rigidity.
 

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January 06 price for 8x10, the last time Dick took orders, was $2920 for a Compact II or $2540 for an Explorer. Current price for the eBay camera is $1237.

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Hmm... Nice, very nice...
Need to ask (convince) Santa that I have been a god boy this year.... :smile:)

I've been looking for a newer 8x10 than my old Wizard 2d like camera. And
I could pick this one up in a hours drive from my home.

How does it compare to a Wehman 8x10? (cost < $2000,- new)

Would a 5x7 reductionback be possible?

Best regards
 

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Hmm... Nice, very nice...
Need to ask (convince) Santa that I have been a god boy this year.... :smile:)

I agree, but Santa remembers what I said after I bought the Carbon Infinity: "No more cameras this year!"

(I mean - 35mm rangefinders don't really count, and the Speed Graphic was practically free - and had a working shutter. The ICA Plaskop 44x107mm stereo plate camera is not a "real camera" either, is it? But another 8x10" would be stretching it a bit too far, I feel...)
 

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I agree, but Santa remembers what I said after I bought the Carbon Infinity: "No more cameras this year!"


Perhaps you could discover (or invent) an ancient Norwegian tradition of giving and receiving New Year's Day presents!


Steve.
 

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Perhaps you could discover (or invent) an ancient Norwegian tradition of giving and receiving New Year's Day presents!

HOW DID YOU KNOW? :surprised:
We didn't start giving Christmas presents here until about the 1880's - before that it was New Year's presents! :D
 

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Hmm... Nice, very nice...
Need to ask (convince) Santa that I have been a god boy this year.... :smile:)

I've been looking for a newer 8x10 than my old Wizard 2d like camera. And
I could pick this one up in a hours drive from my home.

How does it compare to a Wehman 8x10? (cost < $2000,- new)

Would a 5x7 reductionback be possible?

Best regards

This camera is horisontal only, so I don`t think it possible with a 5x7 back...
 

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Be aware that the 8x10 Explorer has fairly limited bellows, but is unsurpassed for lightweight and corresponding rigidity.

How much does the 8x10 Explorer weigh?

The Wehman weighs 8lbs, has over 30" of bellows, and is extremely rigid. Cheaper too.
 
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HOW DID YOU KNOW? :surprised:
We didn't start giving Christmas presents here until about the 1880's - before that it was New Year's presents! :D

I also know that if you don't leave a bowl of porridge out on christmas eve, none of your film holders will fit in the morning!

Steve.
 

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Hmm... Nice, very nice...
Need to ask (convince) Santa that I have been a god boy this year.... :smile:)

I've been looking for a newer 8x10 than my old Wizard 2d like camera. And
I could pick this one up in a hours drive from my home.

How does it compare to a Wehman 8x10? (cost < $2000,- new)

Would a 5x7 reductionback be possible?

Best regards

Morten,

I can't speak to the Wehman. If I told you anything about the Phillips it probably wouldn't matter because you don't know if I know anything about cameras. What might be significant is what the market thinks about Phillips. Dick makes 45 cameras a year. He is 72 years old and phasing out his business so he and his wife can enjoy their retirement.

In 2005 he took orders in January and was sold out in three days. In 2006 he took orders in January and was sold out in three hours. Having spent forty years in sales trying to make and exceed annual quotas in 365 days that said to me the market believed Dick made a pretty good camera.

I have had an 8x10 Advantage with revolving back for three years and a 7x17 Explorer for six months. They are light weight, solid, rigid and simply amazingly well engineered. When I saw his simple solutions for very complex problems I was delighted.

Michael Mutmansky wrote a review of the Phillips 8x10 Explorer several years ago and posted it on the LF Form. I can’t find it there now so I will try to post it following this note. If it is too large I will try to send it in a PM.

Good luck. I notice the price has gone up.

John Powers
 

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Phillips 8x10 Explorer Camera: A Review
by Michael Mutmansky for the Large Format Page
Overview
The Philips 8x10 Explorer camera is an 8x10 field camera that departs from the traditional approach to camera design and using modern technology materials and applications, results in a camera that looks like no camera you've ever seen before.
The camera is made with wood, anodized aluminum, and some high tech materials (Teflon, Derlin, epoxy coatings, fiberglass composite). The camera doesn't go overboard on technology, but uses it where the right material has benefits that few others offer. For example, the rear standard sits on the main bed with a Teflon interface between. This makes adjusting the rear standard smooth. The bed is wood coated in fiberglass and epoxy, which makes it light, very rigid, not susceptible to humidity, and has a very strong 'skin' to prevent surface dings.
The bed is made of three individual parts. There is the main bed, which has the tripod holes and is the largest piece of fiberglass-covered wood. On this sits two other pieces; one that secures the rear standard to the bed, and the other contains the screw focus mechanism and holds the front standard.
This camera is a horizontal-only 8x10 field camera. It was designed to be an extremely lightweight and compact camera for use when portability is paramount. The horizontal-only format eliminates the need for an interchangeable back, saving depth in the back, and also saving height in the overall camera dimensions. This further affects the dimensions of the bellows, resulting in an 8x10 rectangular bellows as opposed to the more traditional 10x10 on a normal camera.
The bellows are shorter than a normal 8x10 camera, measuring out to allow 21 inches at maximum extension. While this does limit the use of longer 8x10 lenses, I found no difficulty using a 450mm lens on the camera. The shorter bellows should make the use of a lens as short as 120mm easier than the typical field camera also.
Since it is a horizontal-only camera, people will need to flip the camera to the side on the tripod head to shoot verticals. There are two 3/8" tripod holes, one of them located offset to the side. This permits easier use of the camera for verticals. However, Phillips suggests this camera may not be suitable for you if you shoot more than 2% of your images in vertical format.
There are several options available on the Explorer, including an additional level, a bail lift, a mounting bar for a Toyo compendium hood, and a Lexan groundglass cover. My camera has all these options.
Specifications
Front Movements
o Axis tilt limited only by bellows (LOBB)
o Axis swing LOBB
o Shift 2.5"
o Rise 2.2"
o Fall 1.7"
Rear Movements
o Base tilt unlimited front, 27 degrees back
o Swing approximately 6 degrees
Bellows
o 21" maximum draw
o Will accommodate a 120mm lens
Physical Properties
o Weight - 5.9 pounds
o Dimensions folded, 13.2"Wx11.2"Lx3"D
o Optional bail adds 3 oz.
o Spirit level built into bed, optional linear level mounted on top of back standard.
Set Up
The camera has a large fiberglass coated wood bed with two 3/8" tripod holes. One is mounted in the center of the bed; the other is mounted off-center to facilitate the use of the camera for vertical photographs. I contacted Kirk Enterprises, and discussed getting an Arca Swiss compatible mounting plate that would bolt into both of the holes. Kirk has a plate that will accommodate this camera with only minor modifications. It is a special order, however, so lead times will be longer than usual. This plate eliminates the possibility for the mounting plate to twist and loosen when shooting in vertical orientation.
Once the camera is mounted to a tripod, the bar knobs that control rear tilt are loosened, and the back tilted up into vertical position. There are detents in the tracks to facilitate locating the correct starting position. Lift the front standard off the bed, and rotate the front standard rails into position. At this point, a decision must be made to select the correct mounting hole for the front standard. There are three holes in the bed for mounting the front standard; the selecting the hole is based on the focal length of the lens intended.
There is a spirit level mounted at the front of the main bed to level the camera initially. There is a second linear level mounted to the top of the camera at the groundglass to level the rear of the camera.
The front standard rails must be near perpendicular to the bed for the mounting screw to easily be attached, so care must be used at this point in the assembly. It does become fairly automatic with use, but you may find yourself fumbling a bit if you can't see the front of the camera. For this reason, I find the camera is much easier to set up from the front.
The lens in mounted in the traditional manner, except that the gate that holds the lens on the top pivots on a single screw, rather than sliding in tracks like many other cameras. The lensboard is a wooden Phillips 12-ply micro-laminate plywood, or a Sinar or Horseman board. Phillips notes that Sinar clone boards may not fit.
Making Images
The most significant innovation this camera has is the focusing method. There is a threaded screw drive mechanism that is attached to a small universal joint under the bellows. The focus knob is directly below the back standard in the center of the camera. This U-joint allows the photographer the hold the focus knob at just about any convenient angle and easily focus the camera. One aspect of this that I have found as an unexpected bonus is that your hands do not need to directly handle the camera while focusing. This makes the focus very smooth and eliminates a great deal of image vibration on the ground glass.
Front tilt and rise/fall are adjusted with the same T-bar knobs, but I have found that is easy to adjust rise or fall, tighten the knobs partway to hold the adjustment, and then make a tilt adjustment. At that point the knobs can be tightened all the way. While loose, there is a tilt limit stop that will keep the standard vertical so that rise or fall can be adjusted independently. Front swing is accomplished by loosening the T-bar knob used to secure the front standard to the front bed piece.
Rear tilt adjustments are made using the two T-bars that were used to set the camera up. The rear standard can be adjusted by loosening the two round knobs that secure the rear standard bed assembly to the main bed. Once loosened, the rear standard can be pushed foreword to accommodate short focal length lenses, pulled back for longer lenses, or swung by going foreword on one side and back on the other. This is not an ideal system for swing, and at times using this swing can also introduce a certain amount of shift to the rear standard. However, I have found the swing adequate for the fieldwork I do. Most field photographers use little swing; tilt is much more heavily used, and the tilt mechanisms on this camera work without compromise.
The back of the camera is not removable. Since it is a horizontal-only camera, there was no reason to make the back convertible. Ultimately, this contributes to the reduced size and weight of the camera. The groundglass frame is connected to the back with a pair of stainless steel springs. As with all large format cameras, the springs are designed to exert a fairly strong force to sandwich a filmholder firmly between the groundglass frame and the filmholder guides. For this reason, the optional bail is of great utility, allowing the insertion of film holders to be smooth, reducing the chance for jarring the camera. When not in use, the bail arm clips to the groundglass frame so that it does not bounce around or stick out. I find the bail works exceptionally well, and highly recommend getting this option, even though it adds to the weight and cost.
Overall Impression
The camera was purchased in mint condition from a reputable Midwest dealer (more on the reason why in the 'Phillips Background' Section). When the camera arrived, it was apparent that it had never been used. Because of its condition, I expect that the camera is operating as the factory would intend.
The camera is extremely rigid. Once the front standard is screwed to the bed and the rear standard tilt screws locked down, the rigidity of the system is outstanding. Considering that this camera weighs in at 5.9 pounds, the rigidity is nothing short of spectacular. The camera is only slightly less rigid when fully extended than it is in a normal assembled position. Both flexure and twist effects have been kept to a minimum through the intelligent design of the three-part bed. In this respect Phillips has not sacrificed the integrity of the system for weight savings.
The rear access focus U-joint is an excellent innovation in this camera. The rear focus knob permits the photographer to do the final composition and fine focusing without reaching around the darkcloth to the front standard. I found this feature to be very useful, and had no difficulty changing my habits to accommodate the new focus location.
bed.
Here is a list of additional comments on the design of the camera that are worth considering:
Likes
o The lack of weight is most welcome.
o The small size is beneficial, but not as significant as the low weight.
o The rigidity of the camera makes shooting in windy conditions possible.
o The bail is very easy to use, and makes inserting filmholders uneventful.
o The level mounted on top of the camera is visible, even from the side and below the level vial.
o All the knobs are captive, so they won't loosen and get lost while driving a rough road.
o The knurled round knobs are fairly large, and the rest are T-bar knobs, making them easy to handle with gloves on.
o Sleek, low profile black appearance does not attract attention. This is not a display piece, but a functional tool for making photographs.
o Once learned, assembly of the camera is rapid, and 'squaring up' is almost automatic.
Dislikes
o The method used to close up the camera is non-intuitive to most LF users. You need to learn how to do it properly. Most cameras employ a method where the front standard is loosened, and then folded down onto itself to close. On this camera, the front standard unscrews completely from the bed, and the front standard is then set down onto the bed with the standard base pointing out, and the standard arms pointing inward. It takes two hands to do the procedure. Once learned, however, it is easy to perform.
o I occasionally find myself fumbling with the front standard when screwing it to the bed. The bellows can be stiff enough to make squaring up the front standard to the bed difficult. I have found that it is much easier to set up the camera from the front for this reason.
o Two turnbutton devices on the camera (front standard tilt limiter and lensboard gate latch) seem to be design afterthoughts rather than fully integrated design features. They do what they are designed to do, but they seem to be a bit less refined than the rest of the camera details.
o To make the rear level visible from below leaves it exposed. Rough handling will result in a broken level vial, and the need to have it replaced. This is the price to pay for having a level visible from below.
Conclusion
Many companies in the industry are adding patented design features and enhancements that improve their specification sheets and add greatly to the price of the camera, but are of dubious utility for field shooters. Richard Phillips has gone the other direction with his camera design philosophy by eliminating all but the necessities. Experienced field shooters know what features they find useful in a field camera, and this camera has been designed to meet these requirements.
Richard Phillips has advanced large format camera design significantly with his marriage of high tech and traditional materials as well as his outside-the-box design approach.

Phillips Background
R.H. Phillips & Sons is a small company, and their ability to manufacture cameras is limited by the size of the facilities. Richard has told me that they effectively build one line of cameras at a time, and then re-tool and build another line of cameras.
This fact, along with the overall popularity of the cameras has led to some very long lead times for delivery of a new camera. This is the reason I purchased my camera used; I have an order in on an 8x10 Compact II camera but I don't expect to see that camera until 2001. Also, because of their popularity, a used Phillips camera doesn't show up on the used market very often. I found the Explorer used, and decided to get it with the intent to sell it once my Compact II is ready for delivery.
I tend to shoot enough verticals to make this camera inconvenient at times. However, by the time my Compact II is ready, I may not be willing to part with this one. The size and weight of this camera are so compelling that the benefit of easier vertical format may become less important to me. Only time will tell.
The Phillips line now includes a 4x5, (available in several different variations), the two 8x10 models, an 11x14 model, and the newly announced 8x16 model. In most of these models, options are available to permit the tailoring of the camera to the particular need of the individual.
Phillips cameras are only available direct from the factory in the United States and most of the world. They can be contacted at:
R.H. Phillips & Sons
2283 Old Pine Trail
Midland, MI 48642
T 989-835-7897
F 989-839-9745
Email rhphill@concentric.net
 

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How many 8x16's were made? Does (or did) Dick offer a vertical back conversion for his 8x16 and 7x17 cameras? And is he still offering any other models besides the 8x10? I noticed the company name is R.H. Phillips and Sons. Are there any plans for the Sons to pic up where Dad leaves off? Although I don't think the Phillips is a very attractive camera (aesthetically) they are hard to beat when it comes to performance. And my view of the aesthetics is just a matter of personal tastes. Thanks
 
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How many 8x16's were made? Does (or did) Dick offer a vertical back conversion for his 8x16 and 7x17 cameras? And is he still offering any other models besides the 8x10? I noticed the company name is R.H. Phillips and Sons. Are there any plans for the Sons to pic up where Dad leaves off? Although I don't think the Phillips is a very attractive camera (aesthetically) they are hard to beat when it comes to performance. And my view of the aesthetics is just a matter of personal tastes. Thanks

Robert,

1. About 6 8x16 cameras.

2. No.

3. I think he may make some 4x5's in the near future. Other than that possibility, No.

4. His sons aren't interested, and have their own careers.

5. You are wrong. Phillips cameras are the most beautiful tool for the job. (Just kidding).

---Michael
 
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