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Last Friday evening I decided to actually complete one of those back burner projects that I'd been collecting parts and pieces for from the 4 winds. And it's Quinn's fault. I spent several hours enjoying the beautiful portraits on his website. What a talent.

In the back of my troubled mind I have a longing to capture the human spirit in just such a way. So I've been collecting junk that would be assembled into a portrait camera. There is an old Kodak 2D 10X8. Bellows are laughable but I contact cemented the entire frst fold together and proceeded to patch up the other holes with material from a cast off handbag that was my wifes'. I got better at it as I went, but.....it ain't purty. I had a sliding back that puts 2 5X7's on an 8X10 sheet. Robbed a ground glass from an old Seneca back for that. There was a Packard shutter that was rusted beyond most folks hope but I cleaned and waxed it up until it was running fine, then there were several lenses I've collected over time. I settled on an 11 1/2" Verito that was already coupled to a pretty good Packard, and also an old f6 Rapid that says Liberty but was probably made by Wollensak or B&L. It has the remains of a studio shutter which makes me think WollY. I waxed and lubed the old Kodak until it was sliding pretty good. The front standard has a permanent rake that would be fashionable on a roadster windscreen, but not so on a camera. It probably fell off a mule or something. I deemed it irrepairable and after setting the rear swing to match the angle, I scribed a line so I can know when things are parrallel. Since I was on a roll, I added an ancient 13" B&L f10 process lens, a 12" Heliar, and a coated 16 1/2" Artar.

Surmising that I would not be able to get a fast enough shutter speed with my usual asa 100 film at the maximum apertures I wanted to use, I loaded some Freestyle APHS ortho. ASA 3 is really too slow but I calculated 1/4 second speeds likely in open shade at f6. 1/4 second is quite manageable with a packard and indeed, if nothing else, my exposures were fine.

Saturday afternoon arrived and I loaded all this junk-ola into the pickup and headed for the Post Office which is kind of a Saturday afternoon hangout. There are a couple of benches there for old folk to sit and visit in the shade. My first victim was just exiting the post office as I approached. My older brother. Also one of earth's most gracious residents. Besides him, and one other fellow I work with, no one wanted to sit a minute for my foolishness. Who can blame them when the average street vendor in Cuba has a better looking outfit. Better to limit the disaster to a select few. With myself, there were 3.

What did I learn? The f6 Rapid actually comes closest to the look I wanted. Quinn's portraits are incredibly beautiful. Sharp and soft, contrasty yet with perfect control. Like a face peering out of water in a swimming pool. That's what I wanted. The one picture of my brother looking away from the lens is at least close. The Verito is too diffused at f6. I'll work with it some more at smaller settings. Am I discouraged? Heck no. This photographer has an oversized dumpster very near the darkroom door. Hmmm, wonder what I'd get if I removed one of the elements in the f6?
 

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Very nice Jim. I especially like blackburn.jpg (the guy holding on to the post). Which lens was that?
 
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That is Clair Blackburn, friend and co-worker, and the lens there was the f6 Rapid.
 

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jimgalli said:
The f6 Rapid actually comes closest to the look I wanted.

Looks like we have similar tastes in lenses! :smile:
 

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Very interesting, I like what you have shown us, in my mind, very practical.
I would like to see more of this sort of thing here on APUG. Thank you for posting.

Like Bob said, "we have similar taste in lenses."
 
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JG Motamedi said:
One word Jim: Petzval
Oh dear, I suppose this too is going to get expensive.....sigh.
 

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jimgalli said:
This photographer has an oversized dumpster very near the darkroom door.

We all do, it's called ebay! :smile:

hehehe
 

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Neat to hear about your experiments. Thanks for sharing. I also like the one of Clair Blackburn the best.

If I can make one suggestion on the others--try placing the head higher in the frame. I did the same thing with my first formal portraits--head right in the center of the frame, a lot of empty space at the top not doing anything in particular. There's a weather man on the 11:00 news in New York who will interrupt his weather broadcast if the camera operator is giving him too much "headroom." He sounds ridiculous, but he's got a point.
 

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jimgalli said:
Oh dear, I suppose this too is going to get expensive.....sigh.

Look for an American made 16" Petzval from the 1920s or 1930s (Vitax, Ilex f3.8, Vesta, Eastman f3.8, Gundlach A or B). Shouldn't be very expensive (no collectors value yet, and the Collodion crowd poo-poos them) and are usually better made then the 19th Century lenses (Dallmeyer, Darlot, Voigtlander, Harrison, Homes Booth and Haydens).
 

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thanks jim -

i am a fan of your random people portraits. thanks for posting them caus it is nice to see people having fun :smile:

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David A. Goldfarb said:
--try placing the head higher in the frame.

i think the olde rule of thumb < sorry for the pun >
was the same amount of room as from the tip of your thumb to your first knuckle ...
 

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Jim,
Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them.
I would follow the advice of JG and get a lens that will give you that "half-remembered" dream look and a sweet, sharp spot (that I like so much). If you can control the light too - I like to shoot in my north facing, north light studio (a garage) and I use kickers and discs on teh shadow side. Keep it up! You'll get it!!
 

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JG Motamedi said:
Look for an American made 16" Petzval from the 1920s or 1930s (Vitax, Ilex f3.8, Vesta, Eastman f3.8, Gundlach A or B). Shouldn't be very expensive (no collectors value yet, and the Collodion crowd poo-poos them) and are usually better made then the 19th Century lenses (Dallmeyer, Darlot, Voigtlander, Harrison, Homes Booth and Haydens).

Jason,

Can you elaborate as to why the collodion crowd gives the Petzvals a thumbs-down? Is it because of some optical effect or just that the lenses like the Vitax are not period equipment and were made later? Conversely, why are Darlots and Dallymeyers sought after?

I'm thinking of picking up a rapid rectilinear for the full plate camera I'm building. Will this immediately ostracize me from the collodion crowd before I even get my foot in the door?

Have you done anything yet with your Vitax? I'm going to dig mine out of storage and see if I can reassemble it today.

Joe
 

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A couple of wild guesses here:

Petzval lenses are scorned because they are too "famous", everyone knows they were the great portrait lenses of ca. 1880. From what I've seen the fetch far too high prices on eBay - epecially for lenses that are really only usable for portraits in poor light with slow emulsions?

IIRC, Julia Margaret Cameron made some of her best portraits with a Darlot lens. That makes it easy to forget that she cursed it as a useless piece of junk.

Rapid Rectilinears and their Germannic siblings the Universal Aplanats are surprisingly versatile lenses. Wide open (typically f:7 to f:8) they have very sharp centers and very soft corners; stopped down to f:16 they are virtually indistinguishable from (even modern) Anastigmats. Once upon a time many photographers used them for a plate size larger than they were intended for, with predictably soft corners. No - "soft" is the wrong word. It goes way beyond "soft" - almost to "average density"! But very smoothly...

I have a few photographs from 1880 to 1910 right here; The photographer used only two lenses and four plate sizes. One lens was a wide-angle aplanat, the other a double Anastigmat. And it's visible :smile:
 

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Joe (and others),

The Collodion crowd LOVES Petzval lenses, but tends to go for those produced during the 19th century. So, even a messed up brass barreled 19th century Voigtlaender or Darlot sell for twice the price of a black barreled early 20th century Vitax.

There are nothing wrong with these later issue Petzvals. My 16" Vitax from the 1920s is as "sharp" and as "dreamy" as my 11" Holmes, Booth, and Haydens from the 1850s, plus it is in a studio shutter so I don't have to mess around with waterhouse stops and with using the lens-cap as a shutter. My advice is to leave the brassies for the reenactors and collectors.

Rapid rectilinears are fine lenses produced during the collodion era. They have larger coverage than the Petzvals, and make great portrait lenses, just without the swirly bokeh which defines a Petzval.
 
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